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Title: Oprah’s 2020 Vision Tour Visionaries: Michelle Obama Interview
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Oh so when I started thinking about who
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has had some of the greatest impact on
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the global vision of what health and
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wellness and empowerment looks like this
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person's name came to mind first
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Brooklyn please welcome our WW 2020
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visionary conversation before the first
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lady of the United States
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it's funny
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whoa this does this feel like you just
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feel like deja vu all over again for you
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because you were here wearing those bag
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Balenciaga gold boots
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yeah Barack is like weirdos boots what'd
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you do with those boots I was like they
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put away honey just settle it's just
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thing when you wear a pair of boots like
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that you you you it's really like they
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go to the Michelle Museum that's right
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you know you don't walk around the
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street match anything with those boots
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yes barely get on stage and but does
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this feel familiar so I know 20 was 20
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19 your year or what it was crazy
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it was unexpected yes it was a good year
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that's because Michelle Obama's book be
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coming I know everybody in there has it
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it wasn't just the best-selling memoir
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book of the year it's the best-selling
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memoir of all times and what that says
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to me I think it's like now eleven point
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seven million probably twelve since
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we've been sitting here billion what it
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says to me is that it's such an
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extraordinary time to be a strong
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confident assured and above all else
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well a woman in the world today
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absolutely I mean so many people saw
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themselves in my story it's also a time
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for owning our stories and I think
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that's part of what resonated with PSA a
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lot of people came up and said well you
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were so vulnerable you was it hard for
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you to tell
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sorry to tell your truth there were
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things you covered that were difficult
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like trouble in your marriage in trouble
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having getting pregnant was that hard to
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do and my response is no that's my story
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I embrace every aspect of who I am
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because as I've said I like my story I
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like all the highs and lows and the
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bumps in between yeah yeah and I think
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that you know what we learn from that is
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people are they are they gravitate to
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other people's vulnerabilities mm-hmm
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they we gravitate to one another when we
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see the best and the worst in ourselves
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because it makes us feel human mm-hmm
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you know and I think people connected to
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the humaneness of the story what
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happened that you could never have
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anticipated on the tour I mean didn't
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you all do 30 cities we did 34 cities we
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did Europe you know tour in Europe but I
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think that and I won't say that it was
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surprising because we're feeling it here
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you know is that people are hungry for
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connection they're hungry for community
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what's happening here is that there are
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people gathering together they're moving
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outside of their individual lives and
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the loaning loneliness that can come
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with social media obsession and
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Instagram worlds we feel lonely and when
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we come together in a space like this
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you know for whatever the reason whether
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it's to hear about a book or to talk
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about health or to see Oprah it reminds
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us that we are not so on a like and
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people are hungry for that and it's that
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hunger and I don't take any credit for
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it I don't I don't think you know I
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think we underestimate the the desire
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for people to feel a connection to each
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other I know all of the riddle in this
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room paid money to come out to give up a
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Saturday we know all that Saturday me
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and as I said ain't nobody twerking on
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this stage
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you know people are talking and having
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conversations but the the current
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climate speaks down to people you know
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we think that people don't want to talk
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about books and talk about deep things
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and to you know really be
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self-reflective speaking of a current
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climate you know one of the things that
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you have now become famous forever for
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is that when they go low we go high and
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that ain't always easy you know it's not
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always easy and what I wanted to ask you
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that in this climate where low has taken
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new lows yeah how do you maintain a high
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and not appear to be passive and not
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lose your equilibrium because low is
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gone lower yeah yes well because going
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low is easy which is why people go to it
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it's easy to go low it's easy to lead by
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fear it's easy to be divisive it's easy
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to make people feel afraid that's the
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easy thing and it's also the short-term
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thing and for me you know what I learned
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from my husband what I learned in eight
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years at the White House is that this
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this life this world our responsibility
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and it is so much bigger than us right
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so what I have to keep in mind is
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usually when I want to go low it's all
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about my own ego you know it's not about
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solving anything it's not about fixing
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anything it's about seeking revenge on
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the thing that happened to you yeah and
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when you as Oprah you talk about purpose
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yes what it's all about and my purpose
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on this planet is not to just take care
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of my own little ego you know there is a
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bigger purpose for me out there so when
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I respond to something I have to think
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about that light I'm trying to shine
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what role model am I trying to be what
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what are the words that I'm gonna say
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and how will it affect young people who
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are looking at me but that's the bigger
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picture that puts you in a position to
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think high because if you're thinking
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about the long term you don't take the
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short-term measure of getting even with
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somebody right here and now today
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because it makes you feel good in the
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moment if it's not gonna fix a problem
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if it's not
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I'm gonna move the needle then you're
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not going high you're just being selfish
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yeah I was going to ask you that because
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you know when you are the rock star that
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you are
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and yes when you're filling stadiums all
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over the world you're a rock star just
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take it just take it no yes not just
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rocks are rock star role model world's
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most admired woman when you are that
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well you carry all of those titles does
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that affect how you then make decisions
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the is that now a part of what you think
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about before you make a decision or have
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an intention I don't know that it's any
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different today but I feel like I have a
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risk but when you I believe that when
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you are a public figure
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I believe this that when you have any
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level of a Fame or if you have a
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platform I believe and I always have
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believed that I have a responsibility
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with that platform and I think about
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kids I care a lot about young people and
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I know that what we say what they hear
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come out of our mouths all of us but me
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in particular because they're paying
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attention that it has a lasting effect
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and I am a mother I'm a mother I care
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about kids first so I think deeply about
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what kids are hearing me say so yes I do
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I take that very seriously and I take
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the words that I say to children very
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seriously you know when I'm with a young
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person I want them to hear me I want
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them to hear me see them it's important
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for them to know that this person who's
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so famous and has this platform thinks
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that they are beautiful and smart and
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kind and good yeah as I said earlier
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that everybody just wants to know that
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you hear me yes and that you see me
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what's the best advice do you think
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you've given your daughters oh gosh I
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give them so much advice they're so sick
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of me you know now that they're in
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college I have these tech
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ding did I ever did I tell you to
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remember little things like you are
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eating some green things aren't you what
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is the thing that over the years was a
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running theme in your house that you
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said over and over there you know what I
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tell them is what I continue to tell
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themselves is that they have to walk
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their own walk you know they they cannot
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define themselves by looking at each
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other or looking at me or their dad they
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have to take the time to get to know
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themselves give themselves a moment to
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figure out who they want to be in the
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world not who they think I want them to
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be not what the rest of the world says
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about them but to really think about how
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they want to shape their lives and how
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they want to move in this world so I
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don't want them measuring themselves by
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external influences and for young girls
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that is hard to do oh no that is a very
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hard thing to do and everybody should
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understand that is responsibility its
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industry larger it drives me crazy hard
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when it was hard with just cable TV when
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you're watching all the images and in
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music videos it's I don't know
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exponentially difficult yeah with with
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social media when you're comparing
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yourself to everybody on social media so
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I constantly have to remind them that
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they have to live in their own skin and
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that takes time too and I try to make
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sure they understand that that that
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unfolding of understanding who you are
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it it is a journey of becoming you don't
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know it all in your 20s no you don't you
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just started to go something right how
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did you do that in the white house where
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you have access to everything and
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everybody in the world I think it's
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difficult for people no matter where you
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are in your trajectory you want to do
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have a better life than your parents you
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want your children and live comfortably
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everybody does but how do you not spoil
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children when they have access to
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everything it it was easy for us you
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know because we don't think they deserve
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it you know it's about
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it wasn't a difficult thing to do you
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know no the way me and Barack were
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raised I mean first of all you got to
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have a mate that shares your value so it
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starts way back to who you pick you got
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to have a good picker because if you all
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don't come to parenting with the same
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kind of values and understanding that
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stuff doesn't isn't parenting giving
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kids things is not parenting is that it
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is a verb it is an active engaging thing
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and that means you got to know you your
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kids are and each one of them are
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different right so you can't just apply
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the same principles to the first one
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that you did to the second one because
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they come here totally different so we
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you know we didn't just show up in the
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white house you know we I'm Michelle
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from the south side of Chicago a little
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bitty house I got nice clothes and
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jewelry now but my mother made my
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clothes you know I mean we were raised
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with that's enough you know you'd be
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grateful for what you have you don't
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look at the next thing you'd be happy
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with what do you have and that's how we
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work in the White House that didn't
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change because we moved to a different
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house you know the house didn't define
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us
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it's the values that defined us amen
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amen for us so I heard we read this
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although you know we can't believe
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anything we read but I know
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Malia's third year Harvard and you all
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all together as a family dropped Sasha
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off we did we dropped Malia off too
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yes we all did okay and I heard with the
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motorcade with the motorcade tried to
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hide it but it was there it's hard with
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20 cars well they think we had him do
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less cars okay so it had to drop off it
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was it's always good for any parent who
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dropped off kids there's the busy part
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of drop off which is like okay all right
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and I'm that person while Barack is like
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trying to put together a lamp I'm like
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girl you cannot keep all these clothes
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you brought a hundred shoes and you live
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in a dorm so you can you can pick ten I
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mean this is what I'm doing it's like
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pick 10 shoes you cannot bring all those
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shoes and she was supposed to do that
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before we got there which was winnow her
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clothes
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but see she didn't understand what dorm
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life was and I was like girl you got
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three inches of a closet and so you
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gotta figure this out so if there's that
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busyness of trying to move in and pack
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unpack and fold clothes and clean up a
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little get it all together and so when
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you're busy with the busy stuff you're
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not thinking about the emotional stuff
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so usually we then drop them off get
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them in the dorm then we take them out
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to lunch somewhere and that's like our
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last lunch and when the emotions come is
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when we are getting in our cars and
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getting on a plane and leaving our
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babies and they're going somewhere where
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they will now live that's when it hits
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you it's like we all start choking up it
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was just late and just like this is the
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time when I know you're leaving yeah and
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so we all you know try to hold it
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together we tried to hold it together to
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get her in the car so she wouldn't start
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crying and then me and Barack we bawled
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like babies
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you know Barack has that get that ugly
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loud cry like you know he did that at
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but we as a graduation like we're
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sitting there he had his sunglasses on
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and and speeches are happening and you
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know we're all chatting and we hear and
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we look down like are you okay he's like
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he's gonna kill me for telling that
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story all that you don't tell them don't
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tell them
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so this year is the first time you all
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have been empty nesters and what's that
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light and it's so easy a job is it oh no
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it is really good cuz doesn't the actual
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energy of a house change ya know what
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I'm saying is that parenting takes up a
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lot of emotional space and you know my
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husband was busy being president so I
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don't think he understood how much time
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time and energy
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don't we wish yes
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just vote y'all that's all I'm saying
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just vote but anyway we digress but you
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know I put a lot of time and energy to
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parent think these girls in the White
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House because I wish we were trying to
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make their lives normal you know so that
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meant weekends were always a pain right
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could you had to worry about what party
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they were going to whether there was
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alcohol and who was doing what and I had
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to know who the parents were so you're
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trying to do that as first lady I mean
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every weekend for me was hard just
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following these little girls around and
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they're gone thank God they are off
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living their lives as my mother used to
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say sometimes you you just need to get
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out there and live your life and have
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your mistakes where I can't see them
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because I'm tired of watching you walk
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at all you know she was there you don't
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follow them on social you know no no now
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we have a lot of people who do you know
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that was like no I'm serious
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we have my communications director every
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not group all the young people in our
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lives that I mentor they all follow the
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girls you know they're their bigger
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brothers and sisters who are grown it's
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like they're watching and they they're
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the ones because it's better for them to
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be checked by somebody other than me you
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know I also had to learn how to parent
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with a balance of kids who have Secret
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Service right so you have no matter what
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am I saying right you don't know what
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I'm talking about right you know when
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there's a Secret Service you know how
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that goes it's like no you don't but
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they're neither did I but you're trying
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to make sure that these men and women
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who are following them around that the
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girls can trust so I had to get my
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information about what they were doing
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or not doing just the same way everybody
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else from other parents and other kids
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who will tell on each other you know
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that takes that that takes some energy
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and now all that energy I can now place
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back on me
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and figuring out my next chapter you
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know how I want to spend the rest of my
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life what I want to do what I to 2020
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vision is and Beyond exactly exactly
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exactly so do you all actually now how
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do you have more time for each other
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just yes yes so and more emotional time
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really more emotional energy I mean it's
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just me and him and Bo and sunny at
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dinner and there's only they don't talk
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the dogs don't so we're celebrating 28
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right it'll be 28 28 years yeah now
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that's real time your husband recently
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posted a message y'all see this message
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that he posted on Michelle's birthday on
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social media and said he said that in
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every scene you are my star and you have
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called him your soul affirming partner
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is it more so now 28 years as opposed to
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earlier years does it just keep getting
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better or it's it's more seasoned it's
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it's all of that you know I mean and
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this is what I try to tell young people
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it's it's you know marriage is hard and
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raising a family together is a hard
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thing it takes a toll but if you're with
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the person if you know why you were with
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them you know you understand that there
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was a friendship and a foundation there
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that may it may feel like it goes away
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during some of those hard times but it
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it's something that you can that we
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always come back to and we're coming
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back to that point where we see each
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other again
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you know because some of the hardest
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times in our lives we just we just
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escaped it we survived it you know we
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went through a tough time we did some
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hard things together and now we're out
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on the other end and I can look at him
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and I still recognize my husband he's
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still the man that I fell in love with -
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who I value and I respect and I trust
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he's been an amazing father through so
(00:20:14)
much he is he shows up what he has shown
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up well in the world and it's he has
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been who he promised he would be to me
(00:20:23)
and so that has been tested over 28
(00:20:27)
years you know so what I tell young
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couples is that you got to hang in there
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you know you can't quit the minute it
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gets hard because this this thing of
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living life and building a life together
(00:20:39)
is a naturally hard thing to do so you
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can't quit when it's hard because then
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you'll miss the good part and I do joke
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you know and some people hate when I say
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this but if you live long enough to be
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married for 40 years 50 years which is
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what we're working towards if you get to
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a point where eight eight of those years
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are bad ten of those years are bad
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wouldn't you take those odds you know
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but that's what marriage is you can have
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chunks of hard bad times and if that's
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how you define your marriage by just the
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hard times then you'll miss the the the
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truth of what's really there so you were
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so open in becoming when you talked
(00:21:21)
about it or was a boo-boo
(00:21:22)
they went to therapy and therapy really
(00:21:25)
was an eye-opener for you and for him
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what we all need to reflect and it's
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very hard to do it in a marriage with
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the person you're trying to work on
(00:21:36)
sometimes you need an objective person
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to just hear you out you know you may
(00:21:41)
not be right you may just want to get it
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out and so we have him sitting there
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listening to you get it out sometimes
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that helps it's like I don't know about
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yourself I talked about this it taught
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me that I am responsible for my own
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happiness that I didn't marry Barack for
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him to make me happy no one can make me
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happy you know so my disappointments
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were about what I thought he should be
(00:22:07)
doing for me giving to me when I hadn't
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really done the work to figure out what
(00:22:13)
did I want and how do I go after what I
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want on my
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you know if I'm gonna show up equal in
(00:22:18)
this partnership I have to be able to
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make myself happy
(00:22:21)
and so I had to stop focusing on what he
(00:22:24)
wasn't doing and started thinking about
(00:22:26)
how to carve out the life that I wanted
(00:22:28)
for myself with or without Barak and the
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more I did that the more I succeeded in
(00:22:34)
defining myself for myself the better I
(00:22:36)
was in my partnership and isn't that for
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you the cornerstone of your own wellness
(00:22:43)
program is defining your own happiness
(00:22:45)
and working towards that but one of the
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things I said this earlier what I tried
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to tell my girls is walk your walk you
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know that's been my mantra one thing I
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do every year I started doing right
(00:22:56)
after the White House is taking a
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retreat and I think some of the people
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who some of my girlfriends who've gone
(00:23:02)
on a retreat we go to this place where
(00:23:04)
you're essentially walking for four
(00:23:07)
hours it is it's hard and my friends who
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don't know what it is are usually mad at
(00:23:13)
me
(00:23:13)
by the middle of it that's that place
(00:23:15)
where you get up at 5:00 in the morning
(00:23:16)
actly and one of the lessons of walking
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for that long because it's rare that you
(00:23:23)
have to walk and these are hikes this is
(00:23:25)
up mountains and down streams and
(00:23:27)
valleys and all you have is a Camelback
(00:23:30)
with some water and some hiker is
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telling you it's water water water and
(00:23:35)
you're just like shut up just shut up
(00:23:37)
with that water when is it over this
(00:23:39)
hike but you're hiking with other people
(00:23:43)
and what you realize is that not
(00:23:45)
everybody has their own way of hiking
(00:23:47)
some people can get up the mountains
(00:23:49)
fast some people are fast on the flats
(00:23:51)
some people are slow and methodical
(00:23:54)
about how they walk and I always found
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that when I was not enjoying my walk is
(00:23:59)
when I was comparing my walk to somebody
(00:24:01)
else in the group and I had to sort of
(00:24:03)
start telling myself over these four
(00:24:05)
hours stop comparing yourself to the
(00:24:09)
person walking ahead of you or behind
(00:24:11)
you walk your walk do your walk why are
(00:24:14)
you here how fast do you need to go how
(00:24:17)
how fast do you need to take that
(00:24:20)
incline to get through it because if you
(00:24:22)
do what she did in front of you you
(00:24:24)
won't make it so for me the
(00:24:27)
such that I always have to tell myself
(00:24:29)
is what is my journey what what is my
(00:24:32)
definition of health for me not what I
(00:24:34)
see in a magazine you know because the
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the people in magazines don't look like
(00:24:39)
us they do they don't even set it up to
(00:24:42)
look like us they don't even look like
(00:24:43)
that right so I sometimes I'm at a photo
(00:24:48)
shoot
(00:24:48)
you give urine looks around the photo
(00:24:50)
shoot at last sort of shoot I counted 47
(00:24:52)
people oh yeah those are yeah yeah this
(00:24:56)
is also rich people's problems talking
(00:24:59)
about photo shoots right and in my photo
(00:25:02)
shoot girl there were like a hundred
(00:25:04)
people yes it requires so many people
(00:25:10)
did youdid make you look like this right
(00:25:13)
people somebody put these bracelets on
(00:25:15)
me and then they moved one over there
(00:25:17)
and I was like why'd you move that one
(00:25:19)
what did why that one but who's got time
(00:25:24)
to figure it out they just push her out
(00:25:26)
on stage just get out there was sort of
(00:25:30)
my walk but some it's somebody else's
(00:25:33)
walk to this way I was talking to Tina
(00:25:36)
Fey recently and she said that she she's
(00:25:39)
at a stage now where she appreciates
(00:25:41)
that she has moved through life in a few
(00:25:44)
different body shapes yeah
(00:25:47)
what do you appreciate most now about
(00:25:50)
your body it's mine all mine and it's a
(00:25:55)
healthy body that works every day and I
(00:25:59)
try hard not to judge it and it is
(00:26:02)
different I mean you have to get to know
(00:26:04)
your body because what this body is at
(00:26:06)
56 isn't this I can't do the same thing
(00:26:09)
that I did when I was 36 it's not the
(00:26:11)
same body we we are we're living things
(00:26:15)
we're not machines you know we run out
(00:26:17)
of gas we need fuel we need sunshine and
(00:26:22)
light we have to take care of ourselves
(00:26:23)
and when you don't as you get older just
(00:26:26)
like any living thing it begins to fail
(00:26:30)
on you and for me I'm trying to figure
(00:26:33)
out what is that balance that I need to
(00:26:36)
make sure that the this body that God
(00:26:38)
me that I'm taking care of it the best
(00:26:41)
that I can and that it will serve me
(00:26:43)
well as I get older and that isn't doing
(00:26:46)
that what I did at 30 does not take care
(00:26:50)
of this body at 56 so I can't look at
(00:26:52)
some little kid in the gym next to me
(00:26:55)
and even wanna walk her walk because
(00:26:57)
she's 30 you know and I'm 56 with a 56
(00:27:02)
year old body and I love my body you
(00:27:04)
know and as a as a as a child of growing
(00:27:08)
up with a person with a father with a
(00:27:10)
disability who could not walk my father
(00:27:12)
would have given anything to have any
(00:27:14)
one of my legs for me to judge that and
(00:27:17)
not to just embrace it and be happy that
(00:27:20)
I'm alive moving able to move hmm I
(00:27:23)
haven't L myself appreciate what what
(00:27:26)
God gave you and take care of that yeah
(00:27:29)
be and be balanced about it I like that
(00:27:31)
you so freely speak the number 56 yay
(00:27:35)
for me because you have been around
(00:27:45)
women we all have and men to like oh I'm
(00:27:48)
not gonna say the number oh my gosh I'm
(00:27:50)
turning 40 and oh my gosh I'm trying
(00:27:52)
turning 50 you never had any of that we
(00:27:55)
we are so ridiculous as women you know
(00:27:58)
we were working with we were struggling
(00:28:01)
with so much you know just the notion to
(00:28:03)
the other thing we don't want to talk
(00:28:04)
about our age and then we want to act
(00:28:06)
like we should look like we did when
(00:28:09)
we're 20 you know when I'm sorry men
(00:28:12)
y'all can look any kind of way you know
(00:28:15)
and it seems to be okay it's it's I told
(00:28:19)
my daughters because as they're getting
(00:28:21)
older they start to judge themselves and
(00:28:24)
you know it's interesting when they talk
(00:28:26)
about well I couldn't fit in my jeans
(00:28:28)
that I had last year and I said but
(00:28:30)
you're a whole nother year older you're
(00:28:32)
now becoming a woman you don't have a
(00:28:34)
child's body that's like saying you know
(00:28:36)
at 20 I'm really upset that I couldn't
(00:28:39)
wear my favorite overalls anymore when I
(00:28:41)
was 10 yeah you know that's as
(00:28:43)
ridiculous as it is at 56 to think that
(00:28:46)
I should look like I did when I was 36
(00:28:49)
or for anyone to judge me
(00:28:51)
like that or to judge a woman like that
(00:28:53)
we're aging a nice culture where people
(00:28:57)
are trying to stop it yes and then you
(00:28:59)
have all of these frozen faces yes and
(00:29:04)
let me tell you when you're old now this
(00:29:07)
is another thing most people I mean
(00:29:08)
you're in a photo line and everybody
(00:29:10)
looks the same and you're like didn't I
(00:29:13)
just meet you no nope y'all just have
(00:29:19)
the same lips right and the same
(00:29:26)
forehead and the same yeah let it go but
(00:29:43)
we have to embrace our change and I'm
(00:29:45)
lecturing to myself truthfully ladies
(00:29:48)
because I do I struggle with this too
(00:29:50)
you know I struggle with looking at the
(00:29:52)
mirror going mmm well whoa oh and I hate
(00:29:55)
I hate looking at myself I hate
(00:29:57)
listening to my voice I hate watching
(00:29:59)
myself on tape because I'm constantly
(00:30:02)
judging myself too just like everybody
(00:30:04)
else really are you still I was gonna
(00:30:06)
ask you is there any self-doubt left yes
(00:30:08)
I remember when cuz I I opened or
(00:30:15)
interviewed you at the very first tour
(00:30:17)
stop in Chicago remember that really
(00:30:19)
little nervous we prayed backstage
(00:30:21)
because I was the first one and I
(00:30:22)
remember you were anxious and I read
(00:30:24)
somewhere where you said you weren't
(00:30:25)
even sure people would show up yeah
(00:30:27)
exactly it's like you know I mean I
(00:30:30)
lived in a cocoon of the White House for
(00:30:32)
eight years I knew sort of kinda that
(00:30:34)
people maybe sort of like me you know
(00:30:37)
might might be interested in the book I
(00:30:40)
don't know you know the people who have
(00:30:42)
read you guys I say I wasn't really
(00:30:44)
I wasn't fishing for a compliment not
(00:30:47)
everybody likes me though you know some
(00:30:49)
people think I'm the devil incarnate you
(00:30:51)
know I mean you know when you're in the
(00:30:53)
politics you get the good and the venom
(00:30:57)
too you know and that's why in the book
(00:30:59)
I remind people look people called me
(00:31:02)
all kinds of things when when I was when
(00:31:05)
I was campaigning for Barack when it was
(00:31:07)
a competition they called me on American
(00:31:10)
and this stuff sticks with you men
(00:31:12)
talked about the size of my butt you
(00:31:14)
know there are people who were telling
(00:31:16)
me I was angry
(00:31:17)
you know you that stuff hurts you know
(00:31:20)
and it makes you sort of wonder what are
(00:31:24)
people seeing you know you know that
(00:31:26)
that stuff is there and look I'm a black
(00:31:29)
woman in America and you know we're not
(00:31:35)
always made to feel beautiful you know
(00:31:39)
we're you know so there's still that you
(00:31:41)
know there's still that baggage that we
(00:31:43)
carry and not everybody can relate to
(00:31:45)
that but yes there is baggage that that
(00:31:49)
I carry just like anybody else I was
(00:31:52)
wondering if touring the world filling
(00:31:56)
arenas and stadiums around the world
(00:31:59)
helped to release some of that
(00:32:01)
self-doubt the release doesn't come from
(00:32:06)
the adoration or the the book sales the
(00:32:10)
work is still from within that's the
(00:32:13)
thing you know it's yes it is it's the
(00:32:16)
voices in my head it's not y'all it's me
(00:32:19)
you know it's me changing the the
(00:32:22)
playbook the the the recording in my
(00:32:25)
head that was that has been played over
(00:32:28)
and over again and that's what a lot of
(00:32:30)
women a lot of you that's why I take
(00:32:32)
take what what children hear from me you
(00:32:37)
know I take that very seriously because
(00:32:39)
my voice becomes the part that the
(00:32:41)
recording in their head so what could
(00:32:43)
that voice possibly be saying to you at
(00:32:45)
this point that brings self-doubt it's
(00:32:48)
always are you working hard enough is
(00:32:50)
there you know are you using this
(00:32:53)
platform
(00:32:54)
or a good purpose are you focused on
(00:32:57)
what other people need are you getting
(00:32:58)
outside of your own ego that's you know
(00:33:01)
we're constantly checking that with the
(00:33:03)
work that we're doing I mean I just
(00:33:04)
spent a year on a book tour talking
(00:33:06)
about me
(00:33:07)
it feels like that's enough now let's
(00:33:10)
talk about somebody else's story now
(00:33:13)
we're where are these girls who are not
(00:33:15)
going to school because you know what in
(00:33:17)
the end that's why I'm here I'm not here
(00:33:19)
to talk about my story or to talk about
(00:33:22)
my journey I'm here to shine a light on
(00:33:24)
other young women and that's your the
(00:33:26)
big work I had that's the big I feel
(00:33:29)
that that's the work that speaks to me
(00:33:31)
you recently released a companion to be
(00:33:34)
coming it's called the the journal
(00:33:36)
lovely for discovering your voice I gave
(00:33:39)
away many for Christmas thank you and
(00:33:42)
I've been keeping a journal you know
(00:33:43)
since about 15 years old I love some of
(00:33:46)
the questions you include in here you
(00:33:47)
say if you could have a conversation
(00:33:49)
with a loved one who has passed away
(00:33:52)
what would you ask him or her I'm asking
(00:33:54)
that of you you know I wish I knew they
(00:33:59)
like on I wish I had taken the time to
(00:34:03)
get to know my grandparents full stories
(00:34:05)
because a lot of what I talk about are
(00:34:08)
my impressions of what my grandparents
(00:34:11)
must have been going through I talk
(00:34:13)
about my paternal grandfather dandy and
(00:34:17)
he was kind of a crotchety old man I
(00:34:20)
read about and now that I'm older I can
(00:34:23)
look back and think why was he so angry
(00:34:25)
but it it was because he was a brilliant
(00:34:28)
black man in the era of segregation and
(00:34:31)
Jim Crow who could not realize his
(00:34:34)
potential and he was probably very
(00:34:37)
bitter about that and imagine how that
(00:34:40)
would imagine how that would feel I wish
(00:34:42)
I was old and I wish I had been old
(00:34:44)
enough to sit down with him and ask him
(00:34:47)
what you know what he went through how
(00:34:50)
did he how did he survive living through
(00:34:55)
a world that had such limited
(00:34:57)
expectations for him when he knew that
(00:35:00)
you know there was so much more for him
(00:35:03)
yeah I would want to unpack that so that
(00:35:05)
I could get to know
(00:35:06)
him better and the reason why I put this
(00:35:09)
kind of stuff in in the journal is
(00:35:11)
because this is what our stories are and
(00:35:15)
I want particularly young people to know
(00:35:17)
that there's time now to have some of
(00:35:19)
those conversations with the elders in
(00:35:21)
your life because the more you
(00:35:23)
understand their stories their journeys
(00:35:25)
their pains and their hurts you get to
(00:35:27)
understand who they are in a full sense
(00:35:29)
and then you judge less and you're more
(00:35:31)
empathetic I wish I understood my elders
(00:35:36)
a bit more but we grew up in an era
(00:35:38)
where you don't ask nobody question you
(00:35:40)
know don't ask
(00:35:41)
dandy that right you know you're you
(00:35:44)
wish if you could have a conversation
(00:35:46)
that's who it would be and I do that
(00:35:48)
with every single one of my grandparents
(00:35:50)
describe your perfect day beginning with
(00:35:53)
breakfast and ending with dinner mmm
(00:35:55)
well we beat somewhere warm we'd be in
(00:36:01)
Hawaii and or someplace warm yeah and
(00:36:05)
I'd wake up and have a workout I'd be
(00:36:08)
outside I do you do buddies do you do
(00:36:10)
breakfast I generally don't I'm not a
(00:36:13)
big breakfast person you know I I
(00:36:15)
probably wouldn't have breakfast I would
(00:36:17)
go out on a long walk where I could see
(00:36:20)
the ocean and some mountains that are
(00:36:22)
you love to hell I love to be outside
(00:36:24)
because so much of our lives we don't we
(00:36:28)
don't have the freedom to just be
(00:36:30)
outside anymore because of security so
(00:36:32)
for both Barack and I crave a chance to
(00:36:36)
be outdoors and I would take a long walk
(00:36:39)
and I would come home and I would have
(00:36:42)
lunch with my husband and I would sit on
(00:36:45)
the beach and I'd read or I talked to
(00:36:48)
some of my girlfriends because I love
(00:36:50)
living in my community I love to have
(00:36:52)
people around our house is usually full
(00:36:55)
of people do you still cook No
(00:37:01)
not a stick of cooking that is not one
(00:37:07)
of the things that I need in defining
(00:37:09)
myself I don't need the cook it's not on
(00:37:14)
my personal list now I know for you like
(00:37:17)
to cook but I like to cook what I want
(00:37:20)
to yes I don't ever want to okay like I
(00:37:28)
could make some hot water for me and
(00:37:30)
since I can cook you can't cook yes I
(00:37:34)
like proved it and cook for y'all you've
(00:37:39)
you've been fed by me you don't do it
(00:37:41)
anymore
(00:37:41)
no and he doesn't either no he doesn't
(00:37:47)
either how do you look after yourself
(00:37:49)
after a bad day that's another one of
(00:37:51)
your journal how do I look after myself
(00:37:53)
after a bad day I tune out the world
(00:37:56)
that is making me feel bad because it's
(00:37:59)
usually something external I just take a
(00:38:01)
break from what's usually do you watch i
(00:38:04)
watch TV but I watch like I like HGTV I
(00:38:09)
wouldn't I you know and I got into this
(00:38:11)
habit because I never wanted to like get
(00:38:14)
caught watching something where I would
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be mentioned or my husband so that
(00:38:18)
cancels out like most of the news right
(00:38:20)
right so I didn't know news how do you
(00:38:23)
all monitor Newsies we get clips and I
(00:38:25)
watch I get news on my feed and I'd kind
(00:38:28)
of tune and I have a whole
(00:38:29)
communications team so when something
(00:38:31)
goes down they was like you need to see
(00:38:33)
this so I generally and I had to learn
(00:38:36)
how to do that in the White House
(00:38:37)
because if you don't block it out it can
(00:38:40)
eat you up and if I come to your house
(00:38:42)
like the TV is not gonna be on all over
(00:38:46)
the house no no you go to Gail's house
(00:38:48)
all the TV oh yeah no all the TVs are
(00:38:51)
yeah now literally so that when you go
(00:38:53)
for room-to-room it's on air oh no that
(00:38:56)
would drive me crazy that would SAP me
(00:38:58)
of
(00:38:59)
that was good inside yes so you you you
(00:39:05)
don't know watch watch news but what is
(00:39:08)
your favorite TV show oh god I have a
(00:39:11)
lot of favorite TV shows I love blackish
(00:39:14)
and groaning and all the issues I love I
(00:39:18)
love comedy you know I started watching
(00:39:22)
shits Creek Netflix hilarious it's kind
(00:39:27)
of the take off like modern-day take off
(00:39:29)
from Green Acres for young people that
(00:39:31)
was a show that was on a long time ago a
(00:39:34)
long long time ago yes so I like
(00:39:36)
comedies I love the marvelous mrs.
(00:39:39)
Maisel I like that too
(00:39:42)
I like yeah I love TV I love watching TV
(00:39:46)
I probably watch a little too much TV I
(00:39:48)
wasn't listening to myself I was there's
(00:39:52)
this question mrs. Kennedy told a story
(00:39:54)
a long time ago about watching a
(00:39:56)
congressman's wife sneaking silverware
(00:39:59)
from in her bag at the White House so
(00:40:05)
I'm wondering if you saw any weird
(00:40:09)
behavior you witnessed at a White House
(00:40:11)
event Oh God yeah people you know
(00:40:15)
because people usually are nervous when
(00:40:18)
they come to the White House so like if
(00:40:20)
there's a party people usually over
(00:40:23)
drink because they're nervous right
(00:40:25)
because they don't know what to expect
(00:40:27)
but you can see and the drinks at the
(00:40:29)
White House are strong so we have seen
(00:40:32)
some people falling out and I'm not
(00:40:36)
gonna mention any names but uuy we've
(00:40:39)
seen some Spanx and some stuff okay
(00:40:44)
who's the most fun to sit next to at a
(00:40:47)
steak dinner
(00:40:49)
Stephen Colbert was a fun dinner date
(00:40:53)
because he's so cute and charming any
(00:40:56)
smart so he actually knows what's going
(00:40:58)
on
(00:40:59)
so and he'll say things in your ear you
(00:41:02)
know that are in place stop it
(00:41:04)
we're not supposed to be laughing
(00:41:05)
it's time so he was up he was a lovely
(00:41:07)
dinner date and I don't think he knew
(00:41:09)
that he was gonna be sitting next to me
(00:41:11)
I don't even think he understood why he
(00:41:13)
was invited so he tells this story he's
(00:41:17)
like and then I looked up he looked at
(00:41:20)
his wife he's like I'm sitting next to
(00:41:21)
Michelle Obama and he said all she says
(00:41:24)
she said was don't embarrass me so I
(00:41:27)
like her what's the last new thing you
(00:41:30)
mastered the last new thing I mastered
(00:41:36)
I don't know okay that's hard the last
(00:41:40)
new thing I master I don't I'm drawing a
(00:41:43)
blank here maybe I need to master
(00:41:45)
something I just started yoga and there
(00:41:48)
you like it I do I do because this is
(00:41:50)
something I need because I'm getting old
(00:41:52)
so I got to be flexible I think is the
(00:41:55)
most important thing the older you get
(00:41:57)
the more important it were so there are
(00:41:58)
all these crazy yoga poses that you know
(00:42:01)
like they went the day before yesterday
(00:42:03)
and they were trying to have us do
(00:42:05)
something where chin was on the ground
(00:42:07)
they kicked their legs up and I was like
(00:42:09)
I'm about to talk to Oprah I cannot have
(00:42:11)
a bruised chin how do they explain to
(00:42:14)
people because I'm trying some stupid
(00:42:16)
yoga pose I was gonna ask you my next
(00:42:18)
question was what is the last thing that
(00:42:20)
you did that made you feel genuinely
(00:42:23)
older Oh any conversation with a young
(00:42:28)
person you know here's one just personal
(00:42:33)
sentiment I have a godson who you know
(00:42:36)
is just got his permit and his mother
(00:42:39)
sent me a video of him behind the wheel
(00:42:42)
and dad just tripped me out because I
(00:42:45)
was like no one should let that little
(00:42:47)
boy Drive he's on the road I mean he was
(00:42:50)
the kind of kid like the girls would go
(00:42:53)
over his house when they were little and
(00:42:54)
they come back with scratches on their
(00:42:56)
face because he was a wild little boy
(00:42:59)
when he was little and I would come home
(00:43:01)
and it's like oh he must have been it we
(00:43:03)
call him boots you must have been a
(00:43:04)
bujji's house because your face is all
(00:43:06)
scratched up he's driving that made me
(00:43:10)
feel old seeing the young people in my
(00:43:12)
life because to be like this yeah
(00:43:14)
watching them out in the world you know
(00:43:17)
buying groceries having conversations
(00:43:19)
about life like they know something that
(00:43:24)
makes you know the thing about young
(00:43:25)
people though it's like their baby comes
(00:43:28)
out you know it's like my children that
(00:43:30)
can be all elegant and saying
(00:43:32)
interesting points and then I get a
(00:43:34)
FaceTime because somebody doesn't know
(00:43:36)
how to get a stain out of their duvet
(00:43:38)
cover and I'm like oh
(00:43:41)
is still a baby because you don't even
(00:43:44)
know how to do laundry right yet so but
(00:43:48)
that kind of stuff makes me feel I was
(00:43:50)
asking earlier Julian was out and she
(00:43:54)
was talking about her superpower is
(00:43:55)
dance hmm what is yours I don't you know
(00:44:02)
I have a hard time thinking about it as
(00:44:03)
a superpower but you know I
(00:44:08)
I hope it's making people feel seeing
(00:44:12)
you know I hope that that's my
(00:44:14)
superpower that I make the people that I
(00:44:18)
come in contact with feel seen and heard
(00:44:22)
especially young people I hope I have
(00:44:24)
that power to make them feel relevant
(00:44:27)
and whole you know and and deliver it to
(00:44:31)
them what I didn't have when that what
(00:44:33)
was that when I was that age like the
(00:44:35)
sense of importance and relevance in the
(00:44:39)
world I hope that's my superpower
(00:44:42)
I hope my superpower is empathy you know
(00:44:45)
I try very hard even in these times to
(00:44:49)
understand what people are going through
(00:44:52)
when they're angry or hateful or when
(00:44:55)
they're doing things that just don't
(00:44:56)
feel right I try to stand in their shoes
(00:44:59)
and say there's got to be something
(00:45:02)
there's got to be a context that I can
(00:45:05)
understand that helps me see how you see
(00:45:08)
the world so that I can connect with you
(00:45:10)
on some level and I think that's one
(00:45:13)
thing that's missing in all of us you
(00:45:15)
know it's just the ability to stand in
(00:45:17)
somebody else's shoes and understand
(00:45:19)
their pain their hurt their fears their
(00:45:22)
loss and to see them beyond their anger
(00:45:26)
I think it with the is your superpower
(00:45:28)
and I'm also wondering like every time
(00:45:31)
we see you I've seen you out since 2016
(00:45:34)
you look like and so does Barack Obama
(00:45:38)
like you really discovered what living
(00:45:40)
me your best life means yeah it seems
(00:45:43)
like you all took living your best life
(00:45:44)
to a new level have you you know we're
(00:45:48)
yeah I mean we're we're happy people but
(00:45:52)
I you know did you get happy your
(00:45:54)
oh yeah the white house yeah yeah look
(00:45:57)
there's it it was an honor to serve I
(00:46:01)
mean it was it was the the biggest
(00:46:04)
privilege of my life to serve as this
(00:46:06)
nation's first lady and I will and I
(00:46:14)
will continue to work to try to be a
(00:46:16)
person of service to try to make sure
(00:46:18)
that my life means something to somebody
(00:46:21)
else but those eight years were hard I
(00:46:24)
mean it's a hard job and it takes a toll
(00:46:27)
so anything after that it's like they
(00:46:31)
look really happy and it's like yeah yes
(00:46:38)
cuz it's not that so yeah we are happy
(00:46:41)
people but why wouldn't we be we have
(00:46:43)
our health you know we have each other
(00:46:46)
we have a sense of purpose you know I
(00:46:49)
mean there are things to complain about
(00:46:51)
he and I but we the two of us we don't
(00:46:54)
have anything to complain about that's
(00:46:56)
why we believe we owe so much because to
(00:46:59)
whom much is given much is expected Saul
(00:47:02)
right I cannot sit up here and complain
(00:47:04)
about my life what I'm worrying about
(00:47:06)
are the lives of the people who don't
(00:47:08)
have a voice the people who don't have
(00:47:10)
jobs the people who don't have health
(00:47:12)
care there's so many people who are
(00:47:14)
struggling with things that so it is a
(00:47:18)
hard thing to me to look at the life
(00:47:20)
I've been given and and complain about
(00:47:22)
anything so I know you don't do
(00:47:24)
resolutions but we're here setting the
(00:47:28)
commitment contract for a better vision
(00:47:31)
for ourselves do you have a vision for
(00:47:34)
2020 and beyond do you see it
(00:47:36)
Oh for us as a people no for you
(00:47:41)
Michelle Obama Oh from me okay good
(00:47:44)
that's easier
(00:47:50)
for me that the next phase of my journey
(00:47:54)
of becoming is is is is really
(00:47:58)
continuing to make sure that what I do
(00:48:00)
has meaning and purpose anticipate
(00:48:03)
somebody outside of myself so my vision
(00:48:06)
is in particular is to keep helping
(00:48:09)
young people to find and build and
(00:48:12)
support that next generation of leaders
(00:48:15)
to help them understand a broader sense
(00:48:18)
of values that they can operate within
(00:48:20)
because I do think that we are short on
(00:48:23)
that right now that our leaders are not
(00:48:25)
paving a good path for what we want our
(00:48:28)
kids to be I'm just sorry to say that I
(00:48:30)
don't want to make this political in any
(00:48:33)
way but I think young people are hungry
(00:48:36)
for something and it's time for them to
(00:48:38)
step up and to take the lead because
(00:48:40)
we're getting older and we need to move
(00:48:43)
out of the way for them because they're
(00:48:45)
gonna have answers that we've never
(00:48:46)
thought of so my hope is that I want to
(00:48:49)
empower young people I want to empower
(00:48:52)
the next generation of politicians and
(00:48:54)
community activists and teachers and
(00:48:56)
doctors and lawyers and I want to I want
(00:48:59)
to be a part of laying out a set of
(00:49:00)
values and principles that we can all be
(00:49:03)
proud of in this country you know
(00:49:05)
honesty you know empathy compassion
(00:49:09)
caring for others and as you say honor
(00:49:12)
to be he said earlier you you've also
(00:49:14)
made voter awareness a top priority for
(00:49:17)
this year's presidential election every
(00:49:20)
year I mean what I've said with voter
(00:49:22)
registration is that this isn't
(00:49:24)
something we can do every four years
(00:49:26)
because we have to change the habit of
(00:49:29)
people and voting we're not we're not in
(00:49:31)
the habit of being engaged citizens and
(00:49:34)
that's not something you do every four
(00:49:36)
years okay it's a presidential campaign
(00:49:37)
get registered no we have to be talking
(00:49:39)
about this every day when we want to do
(00:49:42)
something in this country when a company
(00:49:44)
wants to market and sell something to us
(00:49:46)
they don't do it every four years they
(00:49:49)
do it every day every minute every 30
(00:49:51)
seconds they are telling you what to buy
(00:49:52)
what to do
(00:49:53)
we need to do that with civic and
(00:49:55)
because people don't understand why
(00:49:57)
government is important in their lives
(00:49:59)
because I always say government doesn't
(00:50:01)
have a marketing budget it can't be on
(00:50:03)
teeth be telling you what it's doing for
(00:50:06)
you and your schools and your roads and
(00:50:08)
your communities so we start taking it
(00:50:10)
for granted and thinking that this is
(00:50:11)
all a game but we have to be having
(00:50:14)
these conversations every day every day
(00:50:17)
why it's important why is it relevant
(00:50:19)
you know and so no it's not just this
(00:50:22)
year it's every year it's not just this
(00:50:24)
election it's every election we have to
(00:50:27)
change our culture in in terms of our
(00:50:29)
engagement in this political process you
(00:50:32)
you you've talked about being 56 in the
(00:50:35)
shape that you're in you work at this
(00:50:37)
though every day do you have a wellness
(00:50:39)
goal or wellness potion for yourself it
(00:50:42)
is it is balance and understanding my
(00:50:45)
walk I've got to understand trying to
(00:50:48)
make sure I understand what healthy
(00:50:50)
means for me not compared to the person
(00:50:53)
walking next to me
(00:50:54)
not the person in the magazine I'm
(00:50:56)
trying to understand what my blood
(00:50:59)
pressure level should be and what my
(00:51:02)
flexibility should be and what cardio
(00:51:04)
means for me and when do I feel good
(00:51:06)
because we can also overdo it right we
(00:51:10)
can work out so hard and diet so much
(00:51:12)
that we might be thin and look a certain
(00:51:14)
way but our bodies are broken inside
(00:51:16)
because we're not walking our path we're
(00:51:19)
walking somebody else's path so I am
(00:51:22)
trying to figure that out every day and
(00:51:24)
it changes because women our bodies
(00:51:26)
change drastically in comparison to men
(00:51:30)
we're going through menopause we've got
(00:51:33)
a lot going on and I don't think we've
(00:51:34)
done enough to understand what aging
(00:51:37)
means for women's bodies what are we
(00:51:39)
supposed to look like how are we
(00:51:41)
supposed to feel we're not talking about
(00:51:43)
that enough and I feel like we're at a
(00:51:46)
time when women are age because we do
(00:51:49)
have we do spend money now we have
(00:51:52)
wealth women our age but the market and
(00:51:56)
the fitness market they don't speak to
(00:51:58)
us they're not catering to us they're
(00:52:00)
catering catering to Malia and Sasha how
(00:52:03)
this work out where looks and what these
(00:52:05)
classes are they're catering
(00:52:07)
twenty and thirty year olds who quite
(00:52:08)
frankly have no money how is that so I
(00:52:16)
want to make it I want to push these
(00:52:19)
industries to start thinking about us
(00:52:21)
women mature women so that we're
(00:52:25)
operating with real good information
(00:52:28)
about what we should be wanting but for
(00:52:31)
me I have to figure out in the absence
(00:52:34)
of that information I've got to seek it
(00:52:36)
out for myself and and stop comparing
(00:52:39)
myself to the woman next to me you don't
(00:52:42)
have to compare because you don't you
(00:52:43)
represent you represent what Maya
(00:52:45)
Angelou said in one of her poems you
(00:52:48)
make me proud to spell my name
(00:52:50)
WOM am you and when I see you walking it
(00:52:56)
makes me proud because you are
(00:52:58)
phenomenal but not a woman Michelle
(00:53:04)
thank you
(00:53:14)
Michelle Obama
(00:53:16)
[Applause]
