HyperWrite AI CEO Matt Shumer warns of AI dangers (YouTube Video Transcript)

(00:00:00) Your YouTube transcript will appear here (00:00:01) AT DEALER.COM FOR $50 OF FREE (00:00:03) CREDIT. AND YOUR FIRST WIN (00:00:06) GUARANTEED. (00:00:07) >> PROMINENT WARNINGS FROM THE (00:00:08) A.I. INDUSTRY ARE SPARKING FEARS (00:00:09) OF JOB LOSSES AND SAFETY ISSUES. (00:00:10) THE HEAD OF ANTHROPIC'S SAFETY (00:00:12) TEAM RESIGNED THIS WEEK, SAYING (00:00:15) THE WORLD IS IN PERIL DUE TO THE (00:00:16) DANGERS OF A.I. THE COMMENTS (00:00:18) ECHOED A RESEARCHER FROM OPENAI, (00:00:20) WHO'S ALSO LEAVING THE COUNTRY (00:00:22) AND ON A COMPANY. AND ON (00:00:23) WEDNESDAY, A POST FROM THE CEO (00:00:25) OF HYPER A.I ISSUED A DIRE (00:00:26) WARNING HE WROTE THAT THE (00:00:28) CURRENT PERIOD IS LIKE FEBRUARY (00:00:30) 2020 WHEN THIS SEEMS OVERBLOWN (00:00:33) PHASE OF SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH (00:00:35) BIGGER THAN COVID. THE CEO AND (00:00:38) CO-FOUNDER OF OTHERSIDE A.I. (00:00:39) MATT SCHUMER, IS WITH ME. (00:00:40) THAT'S THE COMPANY BEHIND HYPER (00:00:43) RIGHT, A OKAY SIR. SO THIS IS (00:00:46) WHAT I MEAN. LET ME DO ONE MORE (00:00:49) QUOTE THAT YOU SAY. YOU KNOW, (00:00:51) I'VE ALWAYS BEEN I'VE ALWAYS (00:00:53) BEEN AN EARLY ADOPTER OF A.I. (00:00:54) TOOLS BUT THE LAST FEW MONTHS (00:00:57) HAVE SHOCKED ME. THESE NEW (00:00:59) MODELS AREN'T INCREMENTAL (00:01:00) IMPROVEMENTS THERE ARE DIFFERENT (00:01:01) THING ENTIRELY. SO WHAT IS GOING (00:01:04) ON THAT'S GOT YOU SO UPSET? (00:01:09) >> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR (00:01:11) HAVING ME. I THINK THIS IS A (00:01:12) REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO TALK (00:01:13) ABOUT. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING (00:01:14) THIS CONVERSATION. FRANKLY A.I. (00:01:15) MODELS HAVE IMPROVED OVER THE (00:01:17) YEARS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF (00:01:18) PEOPLE STILL THINK OF THEM LIKE (00:01:21) THE THINGS THEY TRIED IN 2022, (00:01:23) IN 2023. BUT A.I HAS IMPROVED (00:01:25) MORE QUICKLY OVER TIME. IT'S (00:01:26) ACCELERATING IN TERMS OF THE (00:01:27) RATE OF PROGRESS, ESPECIALLY IN (00:01:30) THINGS LIKE ENGINEERING AND (00:01:31) CODING, WHICH IS WHAT I DO EVERY (00:01:33) DAY. SO THE IDEA HERE IS IF A.I. (00:01:35) IS, LET'S SAY AT LEVEL 50, AT (00:01:38) CODING, IT'S PROBABLY AT LEVEL (00:01:39) 20 AT MOST OTHER THINGS. BUT THE (00:01:41) NEXT A.I. IS GOING TO BE AT (00:01:42) LEVEL 50 ON EVERYTHING ELSE, AND (00:01:43) LEVEL 100 ON CODING. AND VERY, (00:01:46) VERY RECENTLY, A NEW STRING OF (00:01:47) A.I. MODELS CAME OUT. ONE IN (00:01:48) PARTICULAR THAT I WAS A LITTLE (00:01:50) SPOOKED OR AMAZED BY, THAT (00:01:52) FRANKLY, CAN DO PRETTY MUCH (00:01:54) EVERYTHING I CAN DO WHEN IT (00:01:55) COMES TO ENGINEERING, AND IN A (00:01:56) LOT OF WAYS, IT'S QUITE A BIT (00:01:58) BETTER AND MORE THOUGHTFUL THAN (00:02:00) I AM. AND THE IDEA IS THAT IF (00:02:03) THAT'S THE CASE AND THAT'S (00:02:04) WHERE WE ARE TODAY WHEN IT COMES (00:02:05) TO ENGINEERING IT'S VERY LIKELY (00:02:06) THAT THOSE CAPABILITIES ARE (00:02:08) GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ALMOST (00:02:09) EVERY OTHER ROLE THAT CAN BE (00:02:10) DONE ON A COMPUTER IN, SAY, A (00:02:13) YEAR OR TWO YEARS NOW, I'M NOT (00:02:14) SAYING THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS (00:02:15) ALL GOING TO BE DISRUPTED, AND (00:02:16) EVERY JOB IS GOING TO BE GONE (00:02:18) OVERNIGHT. IT'S NOT THE CASE. (00:02:19) AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE (00:02:21) PEOPLE ABOUT THIS. WHAT I'M (00:02:22) SAYING IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE (00:02:23) THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE EVEN (00:02:25) IF THE CAPABILITY IS THERE, IT (00:02:26) DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S (00:02:27) GOING TO PROLIFERATE THROUGH THE (00:02:29) ECONOMY IMMEDIATELY BUT IT WILL (00:02:30) HAPPEN OVER TIME. AND IT'S (00:02:31) IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. (00:02:33) >> RIGHT. SO BUT WHAT WE CAN (00:02:34) TALK ABOUT IT. ABSOLUTELY. BUT (00:02:37) IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU CAN'T (00:02:39) PUT THE GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE (00:02:41) OR YOU KNOW, THE SAND ET (00:02:43) CETERA., WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US (00:02:44) TO DO ABOUT IT? WHAT IS YOUR AS (00:02:47) WE TALK ABOUT IT WHAT DO WE (00:02:48) NEED? WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT (00:02:52) WE NEED TO BE DEBATING (00:02:55) >> YEAH SO I THINK THE MOST (00:02:57) IMPORTANT THING IS THAT AND THIS (00:02:58) IS THE TRICKY PART, IT'S (00:03:00) DIFFERENT FOR EVERY SINGLE (00:03:02) PERSON WHO SEES THIS, WHO (00:03:03) UNDERSTANDS THIS BECAUSE IT (00:03:04) MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO (00:03:05) EVERY PERSON AND FOR EVERY ROLE. (00:03:06) RIGHT THERE ARE SOME ROLES THAT, (00:03:10) FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK WILL BE (00:03:11) AFFECTED, AND I DON'T THINK (00:03:12) THEY'LL BE AFFECTED QUICKLY AT (00:03:13) ALL. IT MIGHT HAPPEN OVER TIME, (00:03:14) BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY. IF YOU ARE (00:03:16) A DOCTOR, RIGHT YOU PROBABLY (00:03:17) WILL BE USING A.I. IN YOUR (00:03:19) PROFESSION, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO (00:03:20) STILL BE NEEDED IN THE COMING (00:03:21) YEARS. IF YOU ARE A LAWYER, (00:03:22) IT'S NOT GOING TO STAND IN THE (00:03:23) COURTROOM FOR YOU, BUT IT'S (00:03:25) GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF THE (00:03:26) GRUNT WORK, A LOT OF THE (00:03:28) DRUDGERY THAT, FRANKLY, YOU (00:03:29) MIGHT HAVE CURRENTLY NEED. I (00:03:31) DON'T KNOW, A JUNIOR ASSOCIATE (00:03:33) FOR. SO YEAH GO AHEAD. (00:03:35) >> YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, YES. SO (00:03:36) WHAT DO WE DO? I MEAN, WE CAN (00:03:39) ONLY REACH WE CAN'T RETRAIN FOR (00:03:40) JOBS THAT DON'T EXIST. WE CAN'T (00:03:44) INVENT JOBS THAT AREN'T (00:03:46) NECESSARY. AND WE ARE GOING TO (00:03:47) END UP WITH YOUR NOT, BELIEVE ME (00:03:50) NOT MINE. I'M ON MY WAY OUT. SO (00:03:54) IT'S YOUR GENERATION THAT'S (00:03:55) GOING TO END UP SORT OF AGE, 30 (00:03:57) SOMETHING OR 40 THIS WITH (00:03:59) NOTHING TO DO. IS THAT THE SORT (00:04:02) OF THING WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT? (00:04:03) >> IT IS. AND AGAIN, I THINK (00:04:06) THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF (00:04:07) WORRY FOR DIFFERENT ROLES AND (00:04:08) FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT AT A (00:04:10) HIGH LEVEL, THAT IS THE WORRY. (00:04:11) I'M 26 RIGHT? I'M AT THE (00:04:13) BEGINNING OF MY CAREER I DON'T (00:04:14) KNOW WHAT MY LIFE AND MY CAREER (00:04:15) IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TEN (00:04:16) YEARS, AND THAT IS A LITTLE (00:04:18) SCARY. IT'S EXCITING TOO, (00:04:19) BECAUSE I CAN DO MORE IF I'M (00:04:20) REALLY GOOD AT TAKING ADVANTAGE (00:04:21) OF THE TECHNOLOGY. BUT IT IS (00:04:22) SCARY. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO (00:04:24) BE THE SAME THING THAT A LOT OF (00:04:25) PEOPLE FEEL AND I WASN'T LOOKING (00:04:26) TO SCARE PEOPLE WITH THIS (00:04:28) ARTICLE. THE IDEA WAS TO JUST (00:04:29) TELL PEOPLE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN. (00:04:30) THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE YOU (00:04:31) SHOULD BE PREPARED I DO THINK, (00:04:32) THOUGH THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE (00:04:34) SPENDING MORE TIME, AND (00:04:36) ESPECIALLY THESE CORPORATIONS (00:04:37) THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS A.I., (00:04:38) RIGHT? THE ONES THAT ARE (00:04:40) ACTUALLY BUILDING IT NOT JUST (00:04:41) USING IT THEY SHOULD BE SPENDING (00:04:42) MORE TIME AND MORE MONEY (00:04:43) RESEARCHING. WHAT DO WE DO WHEN (00:04:44) THIS HAPPENS? HOW DOES SOCIETY (00:04:46) ADAPT? WHAT ARE POLITICIANS (00:04:47) THINKING ABOUT? THEY SHOULD BE (00:04:49) THINKING ABOUT THIS REALLY, (00:04:50) REALLY DEEPLY. THIS ISN'T A BIG (00:04:51) ISSUE TODAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO (00:04:52) BE IN A FEW YEARS WE NEED TO BE (00:04:54) PREPARED. (00:04:55) >> BUT ISN'T THE REAL PROBLEM? (00:04:56) YOU PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT SIR. (00:04:58) ISN'T THE REAL PROBLEM. AS YOU (00:05:00) SAY IN THIS ARTICLE, IT'S MORE (00:05:02) LIKE THE MOMENT YOU REALIZE THE (00:05:04) WATER HAS BEEN RISING AROUND YOU (00:05:06) AND IT'S NOW AT THE TOP IT'S A (00:05:08) BIT THE FROG ISN'T IT? IT'S THE (00:05:10) FROG IN THE BOILING WATER. IT'S (00:05:12) ALL HAPPENING VERY SLOWLY, BUT (00:05:14) ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GOING TO (00:05:15) TURN AROUND AND REALIZE YOU'RE (00:05:18) IN IT UP TO YOUR NECK. AND THEN (00:05:20) AS WE DISCOVER WITH (00:05:21) DIGITIZATION, FOURTH INDUSTRIAL (00:05:22) REVOLUTION IT'S GOING TO BE TOO (00:05:26) LATE. (00:05:27) >> YEAH I MEAN, THAT IS THAT IS (00:05:28) THE FEAR I THINK, AGAIN THIS (00:05:29) ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT EVERYBODY (00:05:30) TODAY. IT MIGHT NOT AFFECT (00:05:32) EVERYBODY IN TWO YEARS, BUT (00:05:33) CERTAIN PEOPLE IT WILL. I THINK (00:05:34) IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE TAKE (00:05:35) A LONG, HARD LOOK AT WHAT (00:05:37) THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT A.I. CAN (00:05:38) DO AND TRACK ITS PROGRESS OVER (00:05:39) TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I (00:05:40) LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE IS TO MAKE (00:05:42) WHAT I CALL A PERSONAL (00:05:43) BENCHMARK, RIGHT? YOU SAY, HEY, (00:05:44) HERE HEY, HERE ARE THE THINGS IN (00:05:46) MY ROLE THAT I DON'T THINK A.I (00:05:47) CAN DO. LET ME WRITE SOME (00:05:48) PROMPTS AND EVERY THREE MONTHS (00:05:50) I'LL FEED IT TO WHATEVER THE (00:05:51) BEST A.I. IS AT THE TIME AND (00:05:53) OVER TIME YOU CAN SEE HOW IT (00:05:54) IMPROVES ON THOSE THINGS, AND (00:05:55) IT'LL GIVE YOU A BIT OF A (00:05:59) WARNING SIGN. YOU WANT TO HAVE (00:06:00) YOUR OWN WARNING BELLS, BUT (00:06:01) EVERYBODY SHOULDN'T GO AND PANIC (00:06:02) TODAY WE'RE NOT THERE YET IT'S (00:06:03) JUST YOU WANT TO BE INFORMED AND (00:06:04) YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, (00:06:05) DIG YOUR HEELS IN AND BURY YOUR (00:06:06) HEAD IN THE SAND. AND I DO THINK (00:06:07) THAT POLITICIANS NEED TO BE (00:06:08) TALKING MUCH MORE ABOUT THIS. I (00:06:09) THINK THAT THE COMPANIES THAT (00:06:11) ARE WORKING ON THIS, THEY TALK (00:06:12) ABOUT THIS BUT I THINK THE (00:06:13) REASON MY ARTICLE BROKE THROUGH (00:06:14) IS BECAUSE I'M THE FIRST PERSON (00:06:15) TO TRY TO SAY, HEY, LOOK PEOPLE (00:06:16) THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF TECH, (00:06:17) HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON IN A (00:06:18) WAY THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IN (00:06:19) TECH TALK ABOUT IT IN THESE VERY (00:06:23) JARGON HEAVY, INDUSTRY SPECIFIC (00:06:24) WAYS. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO (00:06:26) REACH A MASS AUDIENCE THAT NEEDS (00:06:27) TO HEAR IT