Barbara O’Neill: On Longevity, Gut Microbiome, Immune System, and Anti-Aging Basics | TUH #203 (YouTube Video Transcript)

(00:00:00) Your YouTube transcript will appear here (00:00:00) Did you know that they used to have in (00:00:02) the medical journals the graphs and if (00:00:05) you look at the original graphs the (00:00:06) infectious diseases were 3/4 sometimes (00:00:10) totally wiped out and then the vaccine (00:00:12) was introduced. (00:00:13) >> I have a hard time believing that we (00:00:15) need 79 vaccines before you're 18 years (00:00:19) old in order to just exist in the world. (00:00:22) >> That's a total denial that our body can (00:00:25) heal itself because it can. I agree and (00:00:28) I acknowledge that people have the (00:00:30) symptoms, but we have seen people heal (00:00:33) from all the autoimmune diseases that (00:00:35) you might mention to me. (00:00:37) >> Some of the characteristics of the (00:00:38) immune system that people might not know (00:00:40) about. I mean, I think we're very (00:00:41) familiar with the fact that it defends (00:00:43) us. Remember that there's an (00:00:44) intermediary between the food that you (00:00:46) eat and you we don't eat to feed (00:00:49) ourselves. We eat to feed our gut (00:00:50) bacteria and they eat to feed us. Well, (00:00:52) it is estimated that 70% of our immune (00:00:55) system is established by our gut flora. (00:00:58) So, what destroys our gut flora is the (00:01:01) antibiotics. (00:01:02) >> We know that the immune system is (00:01:04) hypervigilant. And so, how do we (00:01:07) strengthen our immune system? (00:01:09) >> That's a good question. Very good (00:01:11) question. It needs us to be (00:01:20) >> ultimate human. (00:01:25) Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate (00:01:27) Human Podcast. I'm your host, human (00:01:28) biologist Gary Brea, where we go down (00:01:31) the road of everything anti-aging, (00:01:33) biohacking, longevity, and everything in (00:01:36) between. And today's guest, most of my (00:01:39) audience knows her. Um, she has been (00:01:42) referred to as the grandmother of the (00:01:44) world, I just found out, (00:01:47) which I think is a great title. Um, (00:01:50) because I'm an enormous, enormous fan of (00:01:53) our guest. Welcome to the podcast, (00:01:55) Barbara O'Neal. (00:01:56) >> Thank you. Yes. I count it a great honor (00:01:59) to be termed the grandma of the world. (00:02:01) And so, why the grandma of the world? (00:02:04) Coming back to basics, I guess. Yeah, (00:02:06) you know, it's interesting. Right before (00:02:08) the the camera started rolling, we (00:02:10) talked about how, you know, on my (00:02:12) journey into wellness, longevity, (00:02:16) anti-aging, what have you. Um, when you (00:02:19) look at the big data, blue zones, uh, (00:02:23) what's truly extending life, um, it (00:02:26) really is the basics. It is I mean the (00:02:29) three common denominators with these in (00:02:32) the blue zone was uh very active, (00:02:35) >> very social and eating food in its (00:02:38) natural state. They were the three (00:02:39) common denominators. (00:02:40) >> You know, I I found that fascinating too (00:02:43) because we want the answer to be a (00:02:45) dogmatic diet, right? It's either all (00:02:47) carnivore, all keto, all paleo, all (00:02:50) vegan, all vegetarian, all pescatarian. (00:02:53) >> But the truth is there was no continuity (00:02:55) between the diets. You had high (00:02:57) carbohydrate consumption. You had high (00:02:59) meat consumption, high fatty fish and (00:03:01) oils, and very long life expecties. And (00:03:04) I always tease the French because they (00:03:05) screwed up the whole model because (00:03:07) they're smoking cigarettes and eating (00:03:09) cheese and drinking wine and living 100 (00:03:11) years old. So the heck with the French. (00:03:13) Um but uh uh you know it's in in this (00:03:17) journey, you know, I think everyone (00:03:20) wants it to be this special supplement. (00:03:22) Oh, it's NAD. That's what I'm missing. (00:03:24) It's it's red light therapy. It's a (00:03:26) hyperbaric chamber. It's um you know NMN (00:03:29) or you know it's any number of things. (00:03:32) Uh and I think you can make an argument (00:03:33) for those things you know at different (00:03:35) times. But the truth is it's what (00:03:40) continuity ran through all of the blue (00:03:42) zones was the absence of processed (00:03:44) foods. (00:03:45) >> That's true. (00:03:45) >> Um (00:03:46) >> that's true. (00:03:46) >> And you know what you pointed out as uh (00:03:50) sense of community, (00:03:52) >> sense of purpose. Um, you know, and I (00:03:54) found this in my own life that, uh, you (00:03:57) know, nature is medicine. Um, (00:04:00) >> and connection is medicine. And I think (00:04:03) we're the most disconnected we've ever (00:04:05) been in in history, you know, trying to (00:04:08) create connection through our devices. (00:04:09) >> And, and we're totally disconnected from (00:04:12) our bodies. M. (00:04:14) >> And that's probably the hardest thing (00:04:17) that I I do is teach people to begin (00:04:22) listening and trusting their bodies. (00:04:25) >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it it sends us (00:04:28) signals, right? Constipation. (00:04:30) >> It does. (00:04:30) >> Bloating. (00:04:31) >> It does. It speaks to us. (00:04:33) >> Yeah. We just decide to tune it out. (00:04:35) >> Yes. You know, one of the things I've (00:04:37) I've really admired about you is that um (00:04:40) you know, I I was talking about the the (00:04:42) talk that I'm doing today at the Health (00:04:43) Optimization Summit, and I put this (00:04:46) really confusing chart up on the stage (00:04:49) in front of the audience for a reason (00:04:50) because it looks like this super (00:04:53) complicated myriad of transactions going (00:04:56) on. But when you zoom in on it, you see (00:04:59) very very common elements, vitamins, (00:05:03) minerals, amino acids, um nutrients of (00:05:07) all kinds that that when you deplete (00:05:09) these in the human body, you know, my (00:05:12) philosophy is you get the expression of (00:05:14) disease (00:05:15) >> and then we begin to think that we can (00:05:18) treat that expression of disease with a (00:05:20) chemical or a synthetic or (00:05:22) pharmaceutical. Um, one of the things (00:05:24) that I I really uh would love to touch (00:05:27) on with you because I just left a (00:05:28) meeting this morning with a very very (00:05:30) close friend of mine, uh, the Mansour (00:05:32) family, and they've just had a new baby, (00:05:36) and her first questions to me were about (00:05:39) infant formula and and vaccines. by the (00:05:44) time this podcast airs um and I'll hold (00:05:48) this until the report is out but Bobby (00:05:51) Kennedy is releasing releasing a report (00:05:53) maha report and one of these uh key (00:05:58) investigations is what is the root cause (00:06:00) of autism (00:06:03) >> and we know it's a neurinflammatory (00:06:05) condition we see that it's had a (00:06:07) parabolic rise in the United States it's (00:06:10) mind-numbing I don't (00:06:12) >> maybe I'm not getting statistic exactly (00:06:14) correct, but it was about 1 in 10,000 in (00:06:16) the 50s and 60s. (00:06:18) >> That's right. (00:06:18) >> And now it's about 1 in 32. (00:06:20) >> That's right. (00:06:21) >> Um and shows no signs of slowing down. (00:06:23) >> That's right. (00:06:24) >> And interestingly, I thought the primary (00:06:29) uh driver I thought would be (00:06:32) vaccination, but it turns out that it's (00:06:34) infant formula (00:06:36) >> and u uh blue light coming from screens. (00:06:39) these artificial lights coming from (00:06:41) screens changing brain physiology. Um, (00:06:45) but it's so hard for pregnant women that (00:06:48) either can't breastfeed, aren't (00:06:51) breastfeeding either because of (00:06:53) lifestyle challenges or because of some (00:06:56) kind of medical challenge. Um, and what (00:06:59) do you recommend for these women like (00:07:02) where can they go to find good sources (00:07:05) of nutrition for their infants? It it is (00:07:08) very difficult and I very much encourage (00:07:11) women to really persevere at (00:07:13) breastfeeding because it is the perfect (00:07:16) milk and it is the best and true um (00:07:19) often stress can can actually inhibit (00:07:23) >> the the milk flow. (00:07:25) >> Mhm. (00:07:25) >> But when you look at the animal kingdom, (00:07:28) the little animal that's very close to (00:07:30) human baby in size is goat's milk. M (00:07:33) >> and historically goats milk has been (00:07:36) given to babies for centuries (00:07:38) >> and I know in Australia you can get (00:07:39) goats milk formula. I have 25 (00:07:41) grandchildren and (00:07:42) >> you have 25 grandchild. (00:07:43) >> I do. I do. (00:07:46) >> That's why you're the grandmother of the (00:07:47) world. It's not because (00:07:49) >> and don't forget the four great. (00:07:52) >> Oh yeah, you got four greats. Oh boy. (00:07:54) But um I know that my grandchildren that (00:07:57) weren't breastfed or breastfed for a (00:08:00) small while, they all went on goats (00:08:02) milk. And I've had so many people (00:08:04) testify to me. My brother had eczema. My (00:08:06) mother put him on goats milk. It all (00:08:08) cleared up. So goats milk, it's stood (00:08:12) the test of time (00:08:14) >> and it's used also by some (00:08:16) pediatricians. if a baby has asthma or (00:08:19) eczema, which are very common allergens (00:08:22) in goats in the cow's milk formula. (00:08:25) >> So, going over to the goats milk (00:08:27) formula. (00:08:27) >> And do you think the raw version of (00:08:29) goats milk? (00:08:30) >> Well, I said yes once in Australia and I (00:08:33) think that's one of the reasons I'm (00:08:34) banned in Australia. (00:08:35) >> Yeah. (00:08:36) >> But if if it is from a raw goat, it must (00:08:39) be a healthy source, of course, and it (00:08:41) must be clean utensils, all of that sort (00:08:43) of stuff. So, (00:08:45) >> but not pasteurized, non-homogenized. (00:08:47) >> Well, ideally, (00:08:48) >> yeah, (00:08:49) >> ideally, (00:08:50) >> I would I would agree with I I would (00:08:52) actually agree with that, too. (00:08:53) >> And the the other point is with the (00:08:55) autism, do you know there's a group of (00:08:58) people in America about 2% autism (00:09:01) >> and that's the Amish (00:09:03) >> and the Amish don't vaccinate. (00:09:06) >> But I agree with you. In fact, I have (00:09:08) learned if I've learned anything in my (00:09:10) many years on this planet is never to be (00:09:12) absolute. Mhm. (00:09:14) >> But in the majority of cases, it does (00:09:17) point to the vaccines because of the (00:09:18) neurotoxins, the faldahhide, the (00:09:21) aluminium, but the blue light coming (00:09:23) from the screens. You see it in the (00:09:25) airport all the time. Mother feeding a (00:09:28) baby, the phone's in the in the other (00:09:30) hand. I say, "Mother, put the phone down (00:09:32) and look at that beautiful baby." (00:09:33) >> Right. Right. (00:09:35) >> And also the formulas, you know, the the (00:09:38) the formulas are formulated in a (00:09:41) laboratory, (00:09:42) >> right? Um, yeah, not the best for (00:09:45) babies. (00:09:45) >> You know, it's I I I I talk commonly (00:09:48) about seed oils and not in an attempt to (00:09:51) attack the plant, but usually it's the (00:09:53) distance from the plant. (00:09:54) >> Oh, it's the distance from the plant. (00:09:56) And I have stopped calling myself a (00:09:59) vegan because plant seed oils are vegan, (00:10:03) chemicals are vegan, refined sugars (00:10:05) vegan, and you vegan (00:10:07) >> and I was (00:10:07) >> potato chips are vegan. (00:10:09) I was at an event and they had a carrot (00:10:12) cake. It was a plant-based event, vegan, (00:10:15) and this white fluff was on top. And I (00:10:18) said, "What's that?" (00:10:19) >> Mhm. (00:10:20) >> And they said, "It's vegan. It's vegan." (00:10:22) And I say, "I know cow's milk. I know (00:10:24) coconut cream, but what's that?" And (00:10:26) then they brought out this spray can, (00:10:28) which number one put me off. I'm reading (00:10:31) the ingredients, cheap seed oils, (00:10:34) chemicals, refined sugar. I said, "I'll (00:10:36) just have the carrot cake." From that (00:10:38) day, I no longer call myself a vegan. I (00:10:41) eat plants. (00:10:42) >> Plant-based. (00:10:43) Yeah. You know, it's You ever read the (00:10:45) back of a like a nunburger? (00:10:47) >> Um, and I mean, but I'm I'm a human (00:10:50) biologist and a scientist, and I can't (00:10:53) pronounce nor even know what half of (00:10:55) those things are. Um, the thickening (00:10:56) agents, the binders, the fillers, (00:10:58) >> and and if you can't pronounce it, it (00:11:00) shouldn't be going in. (00:11:01) >> Yeah. You know, someone said to me one (00:11:03) time, you know, when you're reading the (00:11:05) back of a label, if you don't know where (00:11:07) to find it in the grocery store, so it's (00:11:10) got polyorbate 80. I don't need to know (00:11:12) what that is. I just need to know if I (00:11:14) could find it on the shelf in the (00:11:15) grocery store. Can I find high fructose (00:11:17) corn syrup? Um, you know, can I find red (00:11:20) dye number four? Um, and if you can't (00:11:22) find it in the grocery store, it's (00:11:24) probably a very highly processed food. (00:11:26) And and that actually took a lot of (00:11:28) pressure off of me because I thought (00:11:30) that I would have to index this (00:11:31) encyclopedia of chemicals and understand (00:11:33) them all. (00:11:34) >> Yeah. No, no need. No need. (00:11:36) >> So So um goats milk and you know (00:11:40) vaccination is such a controversial (00:11:42) topic and you know historically (00:11:46) um vaccines were defined at least by (00:11:50) preventing the infection and the spread. (00:11:52) Well, this is very interesting because I (00:11:56) wanted to know why. I wanted to know (00:11:58) when it began. And did you know that (00:12:00) they used to have in the medical (00:12:02) journals no longer the graphs? And if (00:12:05) you look at the original graphs, the dis (00:12:08) the infectious diseases were 3/4 (00:12:11) sometimes totally wiped out (00:12:14) >> and then the vaccine was introduced. (00:12:17) >> So what caused this massive drop? (00:12:19) Florence (00:12:19) >> Nightingale. (00:12:21) And what she did was she increased (00:12:23) hygiene, sanitation and nutrition. In (00:12:26) the 1950s, (00:12:27) the sewage from London went into the (00:12:30) temps and the people in London drank (00:12:32) that water. (00:12:33) >> And you look at pictures from that time, (00:12:35) children sitting in gutters in sewage. (00:12:39) >> So no wonder the infectious diseases (00:12:41) were out of control. There's no (00:12:43) infectious diseases anymore even in the (00:12:46) part of the population and they're (00:12:48) getting more that do not vaccinate (00:12:50) because we're not sitting in the (00:12:52) children aren't sitting in sewage (00:12:53) anymore (00:12:54) >> and there's a a sewage system under (00:12:57) London (00:12:59) >> so that the sewage doesn't go in the (00:13:01) temps anymore. (00:13:03) That's what stopped those diseases. You (00:13:06) know, it's it's it's fascinating that (00:13:08) you say that because um for years, about (00:13:10) 20 years, I was a mortality researcher (00:13:12) and we studied um uh mortality rates and (00:13:16) big data on mortality. Um and I did this (00:13:18) for large life insurance companies. So, (00:13:20) we knew the day, the date, the time, the (00:13:22) location, and the cause of death for (00:13:24) hundreds of millions of lives. And the (00:13:26) truth is, the greatest jumps in life (00:13:28) expectancy, we had the greatest (00:13:30) expansion in life expectancy was clean (00:13:33) water and sanitation. (00:13:34) >> That's right. Um, and once we figured (00:13:36) out clean water and sanitation, do you (00:13:38) know in the 1800s there was a famous (00:13:40) physician that was actually jailed and (00:13:43) lived the rest of his life in the same (00:13:45) asylum because he noticed a correlation (00:13:48) between handwashing (00:13:50) >> and and delivering babies. (00:13:52) >> That's right. That's from Vienna. (00:13:54) >> Yeah, (00:13:54) >> I I was reading that. And Florence (00:13:57) Nightingale, the same thing. The doctors (00:13:59) hated her (00:14:00) >> because she made them wash their hands (00:14:02) between operations. (00:14:03) >> Right. I mean, and now you wouldn't (00:14:06) think of, first of all, you would never (00:14:07) do an operation bare-handed. Um, and you (00:14:10) would never do an operation without (00:14:11) >> I actually think they've gone a little (00:14:12) bit over the top now. (00:14:14) >> Yeah. Now we too much hand sanitizer. (00:14:15) >> When I see someone come in and wipe all (00:14:18) the seat down in the plane before they (00:14:20) sit in the plane. (00:14:21) >> Yeah. And and constant, you know, (00:14:23) hospitals now are actually starting to (00:14:25) take some of these hand sanitizers out. (00:14:27) I'm so glad to hear that because the (00:14:29) research shows that washing your hands (00:14:30) with soap and water is even more (00:14:33) effective (00:14:34) >> and and killing everything. You know, we (00:14:36) we live in such a microbial world. (00:14:39) >> We do. (00:14:40) >> And we're in symbiosis with a lot of (00:14:41) these microbes. (00:14:42) >> We do and and we should be. And so, (00:14:45) anything that comes in with the kill (00:14:47) mentality, anything that can kill a (00:14:50) small organism has the potential to kill (00:14:52) a large. And that's what we are. There (00:14:54) are 10 times more microorganisms in the (00:14:57) body than cells. We have 100 trillion (00:15:00) cells. And there are 10 times more (00:15:02) microorganisms in the gastrointestinal (00:15:04) tract than anywhere else in the body. In (00:15:07) fact, Gary, my uh lecture on these (00:15:10) little microbes is one of my favorites. (00:15:12) >> Really? Well, let's go down the micro (00:15:14) roll because, you know, somebody said to (00:15:16) me one time, and I thought it was a (00:15:17) fascinating statement. Um, we don't eat (00:15:19) to feed ourselves. We eat to feed our (00:15:22) gut bacteria. and they eat to feed us. (00:15:25) He said, "So remember that there's an (00:15:26) intermediary between the food that you (00:15:29) eat and and you and this intermediary is (00:15:32) your gut microbiome." And so we want to (00:15:35) be really good to our gut microbiome. (00:15:37) >> Oh, we do. We do. In fact, what I find (00:15:40) fascinating is that our gastrointestinal (00:15:42) tract, which is about 10 m long, 10 (00:15:46) yards long. (00:15:47) >> Yeah. 30 ft. (00:15:48) >> It's a hollow tube, (00:15:50) >> which means it's not really part of you (00:15:51) or me. Anything that goes in there is (00:15:53) not part of you or me until it gets (00:15:55) broken down to tiny little particles, (00:15:58) absorbed out of the gut and into the (00:16:00) blood. (00:16:01) >> Then it becomes part of you or me. And (00:16:04) what's responsible for that final (00:16:06) breakdown? I do a journey through the (00:16:08) gastrointestinal tract. (00:16:10) >> Yeah, let's do one. (00:16:11) >> Yeah. (00:16:12) >> And I say we're going to start at the (00:16:14) mouth and end up at the other end. And (00:16:16) when we get to the small intestine where (00:16:18) we've got the little villi coated with (00:16:20) the microbiome, I say to people, we have (00:16:24) now come to the grand finale (00:16:26) >> of digestion, the area where our (00:16:29) nutrients are actually absorbed into our (00:16:32) blood. (00:16:33) >> Hey guys, I've got some exciting news (00:16:34) from one of my favorite biohacks, Baja (00:16:37) Gold mineral salt. If you've followed me (00:16:39) for a while, you know how obsessed I am (00:16:41) with minerals because hydration isn't (00:16:44) just about water. It's about (00:16:45) electrolytes and trace minerals that our (00:16:47) body needs to function at a cellular (00:16:49) level. That's why I start every morning (00:16:52) with Baja Gold's unrefined mineral-rich (00:16:54) sea salt. That is the absolute truth. 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I (00:17:48) mean, there's so much data now. I I (00:17:51) remember Dr. Pearl Mutter was the first (00:17:53) one for me and my journey. He wrote a (00:17:57) book called Grain Brain. Um, and he (00:17:59) wrote another one called uh the gut (00:18:01) brain connection. Um I I assume you (00:18:04) would agree with a lot of his research (00:18:06) and uh it was the first time that for me (00:18:09) that someone had highlighted and (00:18:11) connected um the gut to so many (00:18:15) different mealies. (00:18:16) >> Oh yes, he's he's excellent that and Dr. (00:18:19) and Natasha Campbell McBride in her book (00:18:21) Gut and Psychology. (00:18:23) >> Very similar, although she goes just a (00:18:26) little bit further in some areas, (00:18:28) >> but the connection between the gut and (00:18:31) the brain is is closer than most people (00:18:33) realize. So, what destroys our gut flora (00:18:37) is the antibiotics. (00:18:39) >> You see, the antibiotics, I liken drugs (00:18:42) to robots. They say, "Get out of my way. (00:18:44) I got a job to do whether you need it or (00:18:47) not." And it just comes in with this (00:18:49) kill mentality. Yes, it will kill (00:18:52) pathogenic bacteria, but it'll also kill (00:18:54) the good guys. (00:18:55) >> Yeah. (00:18:56) >> And I'm not against antibiotics. I think (00:18:58) they should be saved as life saving. But (00:19:00) I raised eight children with no (00:19:02) antibiotics and they're all still alive, (00:19:05) >> right? (00:19:05) >> And my 25 grandchildren haven't had (00:19:07) antibiotics and they're all still alive. (00:19:10) >> In other words, (00:19:11) >> they're probably thriving. (00:19:12) >> Yes. So in other words, what So for (00:19:16) instance, my little grandson treads on a (00:19:18) rusty nail. (00:19:19) >> Mhm. (00:19:20) >> And they and they bring him to me (00:19:22) crying. So what's the first thing you (00:19:24) do? You clean him up. Just common sense. (00:19:27) Then I graded a potato. (00:19:29) >> And I wrapped it in a little parcel, put (00:19:31) it on the bottom of his foot, put a (00:19:32) little bit of plastic on it, wrapped it, (00:19:35) wrapped his foot in it, put in a sock, (00:19:36) and he went off very, very happy. M (00:19:39) >> and that grated potato went on his foot (00:19:41) every night overnight for 3 days. (00:19:44) >> And what did the potato do is the enzyme (00:19:46) >> the potato does is it's a drawer. So it (00:19:49) kept that wound open till it healed from (00:19:52) the inside out. (00:19:54) >> Whereas if a scab had formed and it had (00:19:56) healed without healing on the outside, (00:19:59) not the inside, then you've got an (00:20:01) environment where tetanus can grow. M (00:20:04) >> and if there's an element of a horse (00:20:05) organism in the soil, wow, we got the (00:20:08) perfect environment for tetanus. (00:20:10) >> Mhm. (00:20:10) >> So what I did was that potato that just (00:20:13) kept it open. It kept it draining and it (00:20:16) reduced all inflammation and it healed (00:20:18) from the inside out. (00:20:20) >> That young boy, I think he's 17 (00:20:22) tomorrow. (00:20:23) >> Yeah. (00:20:23) >> And this is when he was three. He has (00:20:25) not had any vaccines at all. (00:20:28) >> No vaccines at all. And you so you (00:20:31) believe in the natural infection and you (00:20:34) >> well what I believe in is this (00:20:36) incredible body with its inbuilt ability (00:20:38) to heal itself that's called the immune (00:20:41) system. (00:20:42) >> And you know our front line of defense (00:20:44) is our hydrochloric acid. Further down (00:20:47) our next line of defense is those (00:20:49) microorganisms because they break down, (00:20:53) they absorb, they nourish and they (00:20:56) protect the inside environment, the (00:20:58) blood. So that's the next line. But if (00:21:01) something happens to get into the blood, (00:21:03) then we've got our internal army, which (00:21:05) is our five different white blood cells. (00:21:09) And the neutrfils, they make up about (00:21:12) 65%. They engulf, shoot hydrochloric (00:21:16) acid into the pathogen and kill it (00:21:19) >> and then they actually die in the (00:21:21) process. And if there's too much in an (00:21:23) area, then it'll come out through the (00:21:25) skin as pus, cuz that's what pus is. But (00:21:28) if it can be dealt with in the blood, (00:21:31) then the monocytes come along. They're (00:21:33) the cleanup team. And then there's the (00:21:35) lymphosytes. They're always looking (00:21:36) around saying, "Hey, neutrfils, we need (00:21:38) you over here." (00:21:40) >> It's an amazing system. So that's (00:21:42) another one of my favorite lectures is (00:21:44) the immune system. (00:21:45) >> Yeah. I I mean I I would I actually was (00:21:47) asked this question uh two days ago on a (00:21:50) podcast. It was a fascinating question. (00:21:52) and he said if you put the the top 50 um (00:21:56) PhDs, MDs, uh you know uh researchers in (00:22:00) the world in a room uh on longevity and (00:22:04) and anti-aging, whatever your econom (00:22:07) calls, wellness, bio optimization, he (00:22:10) said, "What one theory would do you (00:22:11) think they would all agree on?" And I (00:22:13) was like, "Wow, that's a really good (00:22:15) question." Um and I said we probably (00:22:18) would agree on the theory of immuno (00:22:21) fatigue, (00:22:23) a slow progressive overwhelming of the (00:22:25) immune system. Um as a as a broad (00:22:29) definition for aging because we know (00:22:32) when we're young, the immune system (00:22:34) spends uh a vast majority of its time (00:22:37) policing ourselves. autophagy, cellular (00:22:41) scinessence. And as we get older, it's (00:22:44) distracted. Glyphosate, paraquat, uh, (00:22:48) mold spores, micotoxins, heavy metals, (00:22:50) parasites, viruses, you name it, right? (00:22:53) We we're slowly inoculating ourselves (00:22:56) with all of these unnecessary chemicals (00:22:58) and compounds. and the immune system is (00:23:01) over here dealing with inflammation and (00:23:03) cytoines and histamine storm and then (00:23:07) CTC, a circulating tumor cell slips by (00:23:09) or some, you know, something that would (00:23:12) have otherwise been a walk in the park (00:23:14) >> being dealt with. Yeah. (00:23:15) >> Yeah. And it's fascinating to me that if (00:23:18) you took a strand of DNA from nearly (00:23:20) every human being that only about 60% of (00:23:23) that DNA would be human. The vast (00:23:25) majority and not the vast majority, but (00:23:26) a portion of that DNA is viral. And the (00:23:29) immune system's capable of silencing (00:23:31) these viruses. (00:23:32) >> It is. (00:23:33) >> But every once in a while, you know, you (00:23:34) had mono in eighth grade and you get up (00:23:36) steam bar as an adult. You had chicken (00:23:38) box as a child. You get shingles as an (00:23:40) adult. (00:23:41) >> So I I want to I want to cover I'm going (00:23:45) to come back to the microbiome, but (00:23:46) since we're on the immune system, I want (00:23:48) to talk about, you know, some of the (00:23:50) characteristics of the immune system (00:23:52) that people might not know about. I (00:23:53) mean, I think we're very familiar with (00:23:54) the fact that it defends us, (00:23:57) but it also polices us. (00:23:59) >> It does. It does. And the lymphosytes, (00:24:02) they're made in the lymph nodes, (00:24:04) >> whereas all the other white blood cells (00:24:06) are made in the bone marrow (00:24:09) >> and they are ever looking around. And (00:24:12) that's why we give our body the right (00:24:14) conditions. We've got a we've got a (00:24:16) police system. We've got a protective (00:24:19) system that can deal with all that. Mhm. (00:24:21) And so how do we strengthen our immune (00:24:26) system? (00:24:26) >> That's a good question. Very good (00:24:28) question. It needs us to be well (00:24:30) hydrated (00:24:32) >> and that's water. (00:24:34) >> And it needs us to go to bed ideally a (00:24:37) couple of hours before midnight because (00:24:39) that's when our batteries, our body, our (00:24:42) immune system, our cells revive and (00:24:44) recharge. healing accelerates (00:24:46) >> at twice the rate in those two hours and (00:24:50) about one or two after midnight. And (00:24:52) that's where that's where many people (00:24:54) are missing out. (00:24:55) >> And nourishment, it's like asking my (00:24:58) sons, a lot of them are tradesman (00:25:00) builders to do an extension on my house, (00:25:02) but I've just got the cheapest building (00:25:04) materials. (00:25:05) >> Even though they're good tradesmen, how (00:25:07) can they build without proper building (00:25:10) material? Same with our body. We need to (00:25:12) give nourishment. ideally in organic (00:25:15) foods. Uh high fibers, great proteins, (00:25:19) great fats. Hopefully fat phobia is out (00:25:22) of most people's minds today. (00:25:24) >> I thought I thought high fat caused (00:25:25) cardiovascular disease. (00:25:27) >> Oh no, that's been that's been proven (00:25:29) wrong. But probably one of my favorite (00:25:32) and I do it wherever I can is that cold (00:25:35) dunk every morning. (00:25:37) >> Really? (00:25:37) >> Oh yes. Oh yes. (00:25:38) >> Is she really a cold plunger? Really? (00:25:41) Your staff's behind the camera going, (00:25:42) "Yeah, she really does it. (00:25:44) >> She does it." In fact, (00:25:45) >> I call it my drug of choice. I love that (00:25:47) hormatic stress. (00:25:48) >> Jacqueline's Jacqueline's excuse is (00:25:51) she's holding my clothes and taking the (00:25:52) photos. (00:25:54) >> Yeah, my staff comes up with excuses, (00:25:56) too. Malia in the background there. Um, (00:25:59) but uh I I call it my drug of choice. I (00:26:02) actually have three cold plunges in my (00:26:03) house. I have one on the balcony so I (00:26:05) can do it at sunrise. I have two in in (00:26:08) right off of my master bedroom. But what (00:26:10) that does is that gives a shock to the (00:26:13) body (00:26:14) >> and that shock it goes to the right into (00:26:17) the bone marrow (00:26:20) >> to to boost to boost the immune system. (00:26:24) That's what quick cold does. (00:26:26) >> You see, we're warm-blooded creatures, (00:26:27) so of course we don't like the cold, (00:26:29) >> right? (00:26:29) >> One lady said, "Barbara, you say we (00:26:31) should end every hot shower with a (00:26:33) >> with cold. And you also tell us that (00:26:36) we're to listen to our bodies. My body (00:26:38) says don't do it. (00:26:41) >> No, that's your brain that says don't do (00:26:43) it. Yeah, (00:26:43) >> that's that's your feelings. But your (00:26:45) reason, intellect and judgment says no, (00:26:48) this is good. But I say, yeah, but how (00:26:50) do you feel after it? (00:26:51) >> And I remember Jack and I were in (00:26:53) Mryland. We found a lake and it had a (00:26:56) little jetty so I could dive in. And (00:26:59) this morning it was white with frost on (00:27:01) the ground. (00:27:02) >> So I dived in, swam around, came out. (00:27:06) Yes. got my nice warm woolen clothes on. (00:27:08) So, I've got instant warmth. And as I'm (00:27:10) walking away, (00:27:12) >> I feel like I've had an injection of (00:27:14) power. Now, I'm sure you can identify (00:27:16) with that because the body's reaction is (00:27:19) whoa. (00:27:20) >> Yeah. (00:27:21) >> It's like because we're warm-blooded (00:27:23) creatures, when we do that cold plunge, (00:27:26) the body says, "Move." (00:27:28) >> It's cold. (00:27:29) >> Yeah. (00:27:29) >> So, we access that cold shot, (00:27:33) >> right? Whereas remember the sad story of (00:27:36) the Titanic, most of them died because (00:27:39) in that freezing cold water, their body (00:27:41) just stopped. (00:27:43) >> Mhm. (00:27:44) >> It just stopped. (00:27:45) >> Mhm. (00:27:45) >> They put their head down and slept. That (00:27:48) just stopped. (00:27:49) >> And so the body knows that cold is (00:27:51) potentially a killer. (00:27:53) >> And so when we get that quick cold, (00:27:55) there's (00:27:57) >> Yes. (00:27:57) >> There's this reaction. And so that's (00:27:59) what the hydrotherapist (00:28:01) uses is that reaction. (00:28:03) >> Yeah. You know, I like I say, I call it (00:28:05) my drug of choice. I have a little (00:28:07) saying that aging is the aggressive (00:28:08) pursuit of comfort. You know, because (00:28:11) the more aggressively we pursue comfort, (00:28:14) we're we're we're creatures of comfort. (00:28:16) You know, we regulate our body, our air (00:28:18) temperature, we regulate our lighting, (00:28:19) you know, we temperatures in our car. So (00:28:22) you you walk into my room in the (00:28:24) Pullman. I've actually found a way that (00:28:27) I open this window and open that window (00:28:29) and it's cool. I've got fresh air coming (00:28:32) in. I'd rather have fresh air and put my (00:28:34) woolly jumper on. (00:28:36) >> Yeah. (00:28:36) >> Than to be in this this stuffy stifling (00:28:40) warm environment. (00:28:41) >> So So back to the immune system because (00:28:45) um you know if you look at the category (00:28:47) of autoimmune disease, right? where uh (00:28:50) we essentially assume that somebody woke (00:28:52) up one morning and the immune system (00:28:55) just went haywire for no reason (00:28:56) >> and the body just started eating itself. (00:28:58) It does make no sense to me. (00:29:00) >> It makes no sense to me either. I'm glad (00:29:01) you say that cuz I don't believe we just (00:29:03) woke up one morning and it's attacking (00:29:05) the colon. You have Crohn's and it's (00:29:06) attacking the lacrial gland. You have (00:29:07) sugar and it's attacking the thyroid and (00:29:09) now you have Hashimoto's. (00:29:11) >> Now, my husband doesn't like it when I (00:29:13) say this. He's my biggest critique and (00:29:15) it's good. If I pass him, I'll pass (00:29:17) anyone. (00:29:17) >> Yeah. I don't believe in autoimmune (00:29:19) diseases. (00:29:20) >> He said that's a very challenging (00:29:22) statement and maybe I want it to be. (00:29:24) >> I I agree and I acknowledge that people (00:29:27) have the symptoms (00:29:28) >> but we have seen people heal from all (00:29:31) the autoimmune diseases that you might (00:29:35) uh mention to me. (00:29:36) >> Yeah. (00:29:36) >> So how can it be an autoimmune disease? (00:29:39) >> And and also what if if this entire (00:29:43) category of diseases is idiopathic, (00:29:45) right? It's of unknown origin. So if we (00:29:48) don't know the origin, how are we (00:29:50) certain of the disease? (00:29:52) >> Here's a good one. Fibromyalgia. (00:29:54) >> Mhm. (00:29:54) >> Google that fibromyalgia. (00:29:57) No known cause, no known cure. (00:30:00) >> Yeah. (00:30:01) >> Chronic fatigue syndrome. No known (00:30:03) cause, no known cure. Um, and I think (00:30:06) that the same is true with the vast (00:30:08) majority of autoimmune disease. And and (00:30:10) lately I've been fascinated with this (00:30:11) because we know that the immune system (00:30:13) is hypervigilant and um it's it's (00:30:17) actually the be it's the special forces, (00:30:19) right? (00:30:20) >> It is it's the uh Yeah. It's the it's (00:30:23) the elite team. (00:30:24) >> Yeah. Yeah. It was if it was in the US (00:30:26) it'd be sealed team six, right? So So (00:30:29) you know what? First of all, the immune (00:30:32) system has to be called to a location. (00:30:34) It doesn't just show up for no reason. (00:30:35) >> That's right. The lymphosytes are the (00:30:37) calling guys. And so something called it (00:30:40) and usually it's there because it's (00:30:42) after something. Well, maybe it's a (00:30:45) heavy metal, maybe it's a mold spore, (00:30:46) maybe it's a miccotoxin, maybe it is a (00:30:49) bacteria, a virus, some other kind of (00:30:51) pathogen that's in an area where it (00:30:54) shouldn't be. (00:30:55) >> And so the immune system properly calls (00:30:57) it there. I always use the analogy that (00:30:59) if somebody robbed the bank down the (00:31:01) street and ran into our VBO or Airbnb (00:31:04) here and barricaded themselves in here, (00:31:06) the police would bust down the door to (00:31:09) get to the perpetrator. And the immune (00:31:10) system will bust down doors to go after (00:31:13) pathogens, (00:31:14) >> right? It goes after perpetrators. (00:31:16) >> And so, how do um people go about (00:31:21) strengthening the immune system? because (00:31:23) I think it's this sort of nebulous we (00:31:26) all know we have one we don't know how (00:31:28) to cater to it. (00:31:28) >> It is in fact when I when I give my my (00:31:32) class on the immune system I say to (00:31:34) people if someone asked you what your (00:31:35) immune system was (00:31:38) >> what would you say (00:31:39) >> and I think a lot of people they don't (00:31:41) really know. So when I speak on it I (00:31:44) start with the skin. It's our front line (00:31:45) of defense and then the gut and and then (00:31:48) into the blood where I think what most (00:31:50) people recognize as the immune system is (00:31:52) the the white blood cells. (00:31:55) >> And I agree that there's a reason and (00:31:59) Newton's third law of motion we must (00:32:01) remember Sir Isaac Newton (00:32:04) that uh to every action there's always (00:32:07) an equal and an opposite reaction. We (00:32:09) must discover why. And it could be (00:32:13) mentally, it could be emotional, it (00:32:15) could be spiritual, it could be (00:32:17) physical. There could be a whole lot of (00:32:20) things. (00:32:20) >> And I like to see myself as a private (00:32:23) investigator. (00:32:24) >> I like investigating why these things (00:32:27) are so. So, how do I find out? I talk to (00:32:29) the person. (00:32:30) >> I get their history and I and if they (00:32:33) say, "I had a fall. What was that for? (00:32:35) What was hurt? What did you do? What was (00:32:38) done?" you know, I want to know because (00:32:40) there's always a reason. (00:32:42) >> And so if they're on this journey where (00:32:45) they feel they have a weakened immune (00:32:47) system, I get colds all the time, I get (00:32:49) flu very often, um I have a lot of (00:32:52) congestion, you know, runny nose, I have (00:32:54) blocked sinuses, I have the signs and (00:32:56) symptoms that, you know, my immune (00:32:58) system is doing its job, but it's not (00:33:01) doing it well, right? Um (00:33:05) where did they start? What are what are (00:33:07) great things for the immune system? (00:33:08) >> What I'd like to suggest is that the (00:33:10) immune system is doing its job. But why (00:33:14) is it doing all that? So when I look at (00:33:17) respiratory stuffy nose, tonitis, sinus, (00:33:21) uh post-nasal drip, they call it (00:33:23) coughing up mucus. (00:33:25) >> Why? Why? So that excess mucus has been (00:33:29) produced for a reason. And maybe it's (00:33:32) irritated with micotoxins. Maybe it's (00:33:35) irritated with uh chemicals. (00:33:38) >> Maybe an allergy to certain foods. (00:33:42) >> And my most common allergens are dairy. (00:33:44) And the milk in the supermarket is very (00:33:46) different to the milk coming out of (00:33:49) Label the cow on an organic farm. (00:33:52) >> Label. (00:33:54) >> And (00:33:54) >> Label sounds like a cow's name. Um (00:33:56) >> and and people say, "What milk do you (00:33:58) drink?" I say, "I'm wind. I ate food." (00:34:01) >> Okay. Next one is wheat. and um Pulmada (00:34:05) in his book he talks about the uh the (00:34:08) hybridization of the the wheat and how (00:34:10) it's changed the starch structure the (00:34:13) the um the gluten and the protein (00:34:16) structure. So the body in some (00:34:19) compromised (00:34:20) uh individuals it reacts to that and it (00:34:23) can react with this excess mucus. Uh Dr. (00:34:26) William Davis in his book Wheat Belly, (00:34:28) he gives a very good background to what (00:34:30) they did to the wheat. (00:34:31) >> And this is genetically modified, (00:34:34) >> heavily sprayed. (00:34:35) >> Yeah. The glyphosates come in as well. (00:34:38) And also oats. And then and then of (00:34:41) course now I'm in the UK. Uh isn't that (00:34:44) touching something very holy? (00:34:46) >> Yeah. Yeah. (00:34:47) >> The oats. Well, oats are very high in (00:34:49) lectins. And when lectins get into the (00:34:52) blood, they increase inflammation. Now (00:34:54) if the gut flora is healthy it will (00:34:57) disarm the lectins but there's so many (00:34:59) unhealthy gut floras because of (00:35:01) antibiotics because of many medications (00:35:04) slaughter that gut flora (00:35:06) >> and peanuts are commonly contaminated (00:35:09) with mold. And the fifth one is refined (00:35:11) sugar. It's like kerosene to a fire. (00:35:13) >> Yeah. (00:35:14) >> So if someone has excess mucus all the (00:35:16) time I say stop the five allergens. (00:35:20) >> There's lots of alternatives today to (00:35:22) those five. go through the five again. (00:35:24) >> So, we got dairy, wheat, oats, peanuts, (00:35:27) refined sugar. (00:35:29) >> Now, it can take at least 2 months (00:35:31) before you see a result cuz you can have (00:35:33) a slice of bread, it'll be out of your (00:35:35) body in 24 hours, but the effect can (00:35:37) remain (00:35:38) >> sometimes for even more than two months. (00:35:40) So, I say write a note on the calendar, (00:35:43) fill your cupboard, don't do it until (00:35:45) your cupboard's well stocked, (00:35:46) >> right? and you know the alternatives (00:35:49) that you can do. But we've seen many (00:35:51) people able to clear up all of these (00:35:54) congestion things by just stopping that (00:35:56) because (00:35:58) uh there's a reason why there's excess (00:36:00) mucus. There's a reason why there's this (00:36:03) there's excess clogging up in the sinus. (00:36:06) There's a there's a whole lot of (00:36:08) reasons. So, it's investigating. (00:36:10) >> I I think that's a great that's a great (00:36:12) point. And and you know when we talk (00:36:14) about the immune system, we have to talk (00:36:16) about the microbiome, right? Because the (00:36:17) vast majority of our immune system is (00:36:20) right here in our gut. (00:36:21) >> Well, it is estimated that 70% of our (00:36:23) immune system is established by our gut (00:36:26) >> flora. (00:36:28) >> But what I find interesting is I think (00:36:30) most people are familiar with probiotic (00:36:32) probiotic foods. Sauerkraut, kea, miso, (00:36:36) um kombucha, (00:36:38) kamchoy. (00:36:39) >> Yeah, I eat a lot of kimchi. I got it in (00:36:40) the fridge in there. (00:36:41) >> Yeah. So, they're they're great at uh (00:36:43) boosting your gut flora, but what I find (00:36:46) interesting as well is what feeds the (00:36:49) gut flora is fiber. (00:36:51) >> The prebiotics. (00:36:52) >> They're the prebiotics. So, you can have (00:36:54) 10 different apples and each apple will (00:36:57) feed a different microorganism. (00:37:00) >> So, I suggest people have at least seven (00:37:03) different fibers in their meal. (00:37:06) >> Wow. (00:37:07) >> And of course, the fibers coming from (00:37:08) your plant foods. And I was at a uh I (00:37:12) was in Andalooa at a homeschool camp (00:37:15) >> and I was teaching them about prebiotics (00:37:17) and probiotics and (00:37:19) >> northern part of southern Spain. (00:37:21) >> Okay. (00:37:22) >> And (00:37:24) in the morning I said, "Okay, kids, how (00:37:26) many did you have this morning?" (00:37:28) >> Yeah. (00:37:28) >> And one little boy said, "20." (00:37:33) >> And I looked at his father and his (00:37:34) father went, (00:37:35) >> "Yeah." (00:37:36) >> So he must have had a raspberry and a (00:37:38) blackberry and a blueberry. Right. (00:37:40) >> He must have (00:37:40) >> good for him. (00:37:41) >> And a sunflower seed and a sesame seed (00:37:44) and a flax, you know, but uh just to (00:37:47) show them if they can have more variety (00:37:50) in their fiber, they will have more (00:37:52) variety in their microbiome. (00:37:55) >> Now, as a plant-based lady, I push for (00:37:58) legumes or protein. (00:38:00) >> And then the complaint comes back, (00:38:03) bloating, right? (00:38:04) >> So I say, are they well soaked? Are they (00:38:06) well rinsed? Are they well cooked? Yes. (00:38:09) So I give the story of my husband when (00:38:11) we married 28 years ago. He said, "I can (00:38:13) have red lentils, not brown lentils." So (00:38:16) immediately I go, "Aha, brown lentils." (00:38:18) So what I did was I gave him a teaspoon. (00:38:21) >> A week later, two teaspoons. A week (00:38:24) later, three teaspoons. And now he can (00:38:26) eat brown lentils. M (00:38:28) >> so what I did was I was feeding the (00:38:32) microbiome for brown lentil (00:38:35) >> little by little by little (00:38:38) >> and allowing that flora too. (00:38:40) >> That's right. Because a lot of people I (00:38:42) find are so absolute. Can't eat this, (00:38:44) can't eat that. Well, let's let's look (00:38:45) at the way you're preparing it. Well, (00:38:47) bring it back. One lady said even a (00:38:50) teaspoon. I said, well, try three (00:38:51) lentils. (00:38:52) >> Right? (00:38:52) >> And a week later, try four. (00:38:55) >> Right? (00:38:55) >> A week later, try five. (00:38:58) and slowly rebuild that gut microbiome. (00:39:01) >> So the (00:39:02) >> the gut microbiome is directly linked to (00:39:06) our the strength of our immune system. (00:39:08) >> So any discussion about strengthening (00:39:10) the immune system has to start in in the (00:39:13) gut. So if people are listening to this (00:39:15) podcast and they want to go on this (00:39:17) journey and they believe food is (00:39:20) medicine, which I think we all do, um (00:39:22) then adding more prebiotic fi fibers, (00:39:26) things like kimchi, sauerkraut, (00:39:28) fermented veggies, I my gut feels the (00:39:31) best when I do that. (00:39:32) >> Yes. (00:39:32) >> Um I do eat grass-fed meats. Um and I (00:39:35) usually eat them with fermented um (00:39:38) vegetables. I notice that when I don't (00:39:42) eat the grass-fed or wild caught (00:39:44) versions of of fish and I and I don't (00:39:48) eat the fermented vegetables, even my (00:39:50) gut starts to (00:39:52) >> starts to go ary. But if I stay in that (00:39:54) zone, (00:39:54) >> yeah, (00:39:55) >> um then it helps. It helps tremendously. (00:39:57) >> Now, what you're doing, Gary, is you're (00:39:59) listening. (00:40:01) >> And that's what I find very hard to (00:40:04) teach people to do. M (00:40:06) >> listen so I can advise but your body (00:40:11) will tell you what you can and can't do (00:40:13) >> and a lot of people are challenged by (00:40:15) that. I say no your body can tell you (00:40:18) what no man can tell you. (00:40:19) >> Yeah. (00:40:20) >> Your body can tell you what no test can (00:40:22) tell you. (00:40:23) >> Just listen. M. So, when we're listening (00:40:27) to our bodies, um, do you recommend that (00:40:30) that everyone migrate to a plant-based (00:40:33) diet or do you find that there's any (00:40:35) role for wild caught fish, uh, grass-fed (00:40:39) meats, pasture-raised? (00:40:41) >> The healthiest couple that attended our (00:40:43) health retreat in Australia were organic (00:40:46) dairy farmers, organic meat farmers. (00:40:49) >> They ate all organic. (00:40:51) >> How did they get your uh, tag of the (00:40:53) healthiest couple? I want to my wife and (00:40:56) I would like to apply for that. (00:40:57) >> Well, (00:40:59) well, they're in they're in their (00:41:01) they're in their late 60s and they have (00:41:03) nothing wrong with them. (00:41:04) >> And if you've ever tried water fasting, (00:41:06) you know it can be powerful boosting (00:41:08) energy, lowering inflammation, and even (00:41:10) supporting detox. 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(00:41:55) >> There was nothing wrong with them. In (00:41:56) fact, other guests looked at them and (00:41:58) said, "What are you doing here?" And (00:41:59) they said, (00:42:00) >> "Yeah, you should be on the stage." (00:42:01) >> They said, "Where else can we get such (00:42:04) good food (00:42:05) >> and such great accommodation? No (00:42:08) chemicals in this retreat. Beautiful (00:42:10) linen sheets with feather quilts. (00:42:12) >> Yeah. uh steam bath by the by the creek (00:42:16) every afternoon doing cold plunges. I (00:42:18) love it. (00:42:18) >> They said, "Where else can we this is (00:42:21) the best holiday?" (00:42:24) >> But that said, I ate plants. (00:42:26) >> I ate plants because that does very well (00:42:29) with me. But I give you that story to (00:42:31) acknowledge that some people (00:42:34) >> um if they choose to do that and it (00:42:36) works well, go for it. But at our (00:42:38) retreat, we just do plants. (00:42:40) >> No, I do well on plants, too. Um I I you (00:42:43) know I prefer um meats. I'm pretty (00:42:46) judicious about the meats that I eat. (00:42:47) But I do notice that when I eat I don't (00:42:51) eat nitrite so I don't eat any pork. Um (00:42:53) but um but I notice that when I when I (00:42:57) marginally gravitate from that my body (00:42:59) does signal. (00:43:01) >> Yes it does it it does speak. Do you (00:43:03) know also when your body's working well (00:43:05) and why would it be working well? Purely (00:43:07) because we give our body the right (00:43:08) conditions. It's designed to heal. It (00:43:12) will heal. It will function and be (00:43:14) maintained when we give it the right (00:43:16) conditions. That's what I'll be talking (00:43:17) on tomorrow afternoon. Keeping it very (00:43:20) simple. (00:43:21) >> And when your body is working well, it (00:43:23) tells you quickly. In fact, I can tell (00:43:26) when it's in my mouth. (00:43:28) >> Yeah. The coating on your tongue kind (00:43:30) of. (00:43:30) >> Oh, it just it just says to me. I had a (00:43:34) Brazil nut the other day and immediately (00:43:36) I thought this is not good. So I just (00:43:38) very politely remove it. (00:43:40) >> Yeah, (00:43:42) that's really good to tune. I mean, I (00:43:44) think the one big takeaway so far is (00:43:46) just tune in to your body. (00:43:48) >> Tune into your body. Start listening. (00:43:50) And when I was in Peru last year, uh, (00:43:54) another woman spoke at this convention I (00:43:56) was at. She was a young woman. She would (00:43:59) have been 40. She said, "I grew up in (00:44:01) Peru, but I went to New York. I got my (00:44:04) degree. I was a high-flyier CEO of a big (00:44:06) company. And I got sicker and sicker and (00:44:08) sicker cuz she's just eating junk. So (00:44:10) she went back to Peru (00:44:11) >> and her mother took her to a healer. And (00:44:14) the healer said, "How do you feel when (00:44:15) you eat that food?" She said, "I don't (00:44:17) know." (00:44:19) >> And she said that she almost felt (00:44:21) embarrassed that she had said that. She (00:44:25) didn't know how she felt. (00:44:27) >> And I think Gary, that would be that (00:44:30) would be the same with many people (00:44:31) today. How do you feel after that meal? (00:44:33) I don't know. (00:44:36) Listen, (00:44:37) >> it's a good point. (00:44:38) >> Listen, do you feel fantastic? (00:44:41) >> Do you feel like you're ready to climb a (00:44:42) mountain now or do you feel Oh, (00:44:46) >> no. You know, I I I I wanted just to go (00:44:49) back and touch on the vaccines for a (00:44:51) moment. It's such a controversial topic (00:44:52) and I don't know why it's so (00:44:54) controversial. You know, one of the (00:44:55) things that I really like that Bobby (00:44:57) Kennedy is trying to do in the US is not (00:45:00) to ban vaccines, but to say, shouldn't (00:45:05) we be curious about the same level of (00:45:09) rigorous research that we apply to other (00:45:12) compounds? Why would we just not apply (00:45:15) them to vaccines? Forget all of the (00:45:17) other political nonsense that goes on, (00:45:19) you know, uh, vaccine indemnities and no (00:45:22) responsibility for harm and that these (00:45:25) companies don't have fiduciaries to the (00:45:26) patient, they have fiduciaries to (00:45:28) investors, which I think is part of the (00:45:30) reason why the whole system is lopsided. (00:45:32) >> It's pretty bad. (00:45:33) >> Yeah. Um but you really think in today's (00:45:36) day and age that an infant born today (00:45:40) can survive and live a long healthy (00:45:44) happy life without any vaccinations. (00:45:48) >> They will live a long healthy happy life (00:45:51) because they don't have them. (00:45:54) >> And if a if a um a parent says to me, (00:45:58) should I vaccinate? I say to them, "I'm (00:46:00) not going to tell you what to do, (00:46:02) >> but I'll tell you what I would do. I (00:46:03) would go to the pharmacist and I would (00:46:05) get a print out of what's in the (00:46:07) vaccines." (00:46:08) >> Or Google Dr. Sherry Tenpenney. (00:46:11) >> Sherry (00:46:12) >> Tenpen Penney. (00:46:13) >> Ten Penney. (00:46:14) >> And she she's a American doctor who's (00:46:17) really stood up and and blown the (00:46:21) whistle on how dangerous the vaccines (00:46:24) are. and she goes into great detail in (00:46:27) what is every single vaccine and (00:46:30) >> you know aborted cow fetuses. Anyway, (00:46:34) it's it's it's pretty nasty. (00:46:36) >> Mhm. (00:46:37) >> That's beside the neurotoxins. (00:46:39) >> Mhm. (00:46:40) >> She doesn't call it the childhood (00:46:42) vaccination program. She calls it the (00:46:44) childhood poisoning program. (00:46:46) >> So, if you really want to know what's in (00:46:48) them, you can search her out and have a (00:46:50) look. She's just saying what it is. (00:46:52) >> Mhm. and she's a medical doctor and she (00:46:54) was confronted when she started to see (00:46:57) children being damaged by the vaccines. (00:47:00) But if the person's still unsure, I say, (00:47:03) "Well, take a piece of paper to the (00:47:05) person who will administer the vaccine (00:47:08) and ask them to sign it that they will (00:47:10) be accountable if the child has any side (00:47:15) effect." No parent would vaccinate (00:47:18) >> if they did those two things (00:47:20) >> because the vaccines are not safe. (00:47:22) They're far from safe. And when you (00:47:24) realize that historically it was (00:47:26) Florence Nightingale increasing hygiene, (00:47:28) sanitation, and nutrition uh that (00:47:32) stopped these childhood uh infectious (00:47:35) diseases. (00:47:36) >> Yeah. And you know, I I have a hard time (00:47:39) believing that we need 79 (00:47:42) vaccines. (00:47:43) >> No. before you're you're 18 years old in (00:47:47) order to just (00:47:48) >> exist in the world. Um (00:47:51) >> that that's a total denial that our body (00:47:54) can heal itself (00:47:56) >> because it can. It was created to heal. (00:47:59) It's been doing it for a long long time. (00:48:02) And I have faith in this body and its (00:48:05) ability to heal. That's why when I got (00:48:08) co a double vaxed man brought it to our (00:48:11) retreat. (00:48:12) >> Yeah. a double vac. (00:48:14) >> Yes. Yes. Yes. (00:48:17) Anyway, (00:48:17) >> I thought you were not supposed to get (00:48:18) COVID or or spread COVID. That's (00:48:21) >> Michael got it first. Then we live way (00:48:23) out in the bush. We're an hour from the (00:48:25) town on 450 acres. (00:48:27) >> Mhm. (00:48:27) >> So, when I got it, I the first 24 hours (00:48:30) I had a terrible migraine, so I just (00:48:32) went to bed. And the next 48 hours I had (00:48:35) a high fever. I never take my (00:48:37) temperature. I know I've got a fever. (00:48:39) >> Yeah. (00:48:40) >> And people say, "What did you do?" who I (00:48:42) said nothing (00:48:43) >> cuz I live in a body that can heal. I (00:48:46) laid my body on nature's operating (00:48:48) table. It's called bed. (00:48:50) >> Mhm. (00:48:50) >> I slept a lot. (00:48:52) >> And when I got a little bit too hot, I (00:48:54) would I would douse myself with water. (00:48:57) Water puts the fire out and I drank a (00:49:00) lot of water. (00:49:02) >> And I had not a hot shower, not a cold, (00:49:04) a teepid shower. If I was near the (00:49:06) creek, I would have just dived in. But (00:49:08) it was a 5minute walk. When you got a (00:49:10) fever, you don't want to walk. (00:49:11) >> Crampy. So, you didn't do that. (00:49:12) >> You don't want to walk. And on the (00:49:15) fourth day, I opened my eyes. I felt (00:49:18) great. I had no fever. See, I love (00:49:22) fevers because what they do is they give (00:49:25) an incredible boost to your immune (00:49:27) system. (00:49:28) >> And they also kill off harmful (00:49:30) pathogens. See, God put fevers in the (00:49:32) body for a purpose. (00:49:34) >> Yes. (00:49:34) >> So, that's what I say to mothers. My (00:49:36) child's got a fever. I say it's (00:49:38) wonderful. (00:49:39) >> Yeah, his immune system's working (00:49:41) >> and it'll be working even better after (00:49:43) that fever because that fever fever (00:49:46) reaches right into the bone marrow where (00:49:48) our immune system is made. (00:49:50) >> But just keep that baby well hydrated. (00:49:54) >> And if they're as long as they're taking (00:49:56) in fluids, then (00:49:57) >> Oh, yeah. (00:49:58) >> Just let them let them ride it out. (00:49:59) >> Oh, yeah. (00:50:00) >> Yeah. You know, I I think that if we I (00:50:04) said this before the podcast, but if we (00:50:06) would get back to what God gave us, less (00:50:09) of what man makes us. (00:50:10) >> Oh, yes. (00:50:11) >> Um just as a general rule of thumb. (00:50:13) >> Oh, yeah. you know, whole food diet, um, (00:50:16) mobility, you know, exercise, purpose, (00:50:20) connection, nature. You know, I I have (00:50:23) this home in Miami, which, um, uh, we (00:50:26) live in this condo in Miami, and it's (00:50:28) got every biohacking device you can (00:50:30) imagine. So, I don't have a watch (00:50:31) problem or a car problem. I have a (00:50:32) biohacking problem. Um, and it's a real (00:50:34) problem. Like, if there was a biohacking (00:50:36) rehab, I would probably check myself in. (00:50:38) Um, you know, so hyperaric chambers and (00:50:41) red light and PMF, but we also have a uh (00:50:44) we have a one-bedroom log cabin in (00:50:46) Colorado off the grid. (00:50:48) >> Um, it has solarfed electricity, (00:50:50) glacierfed spring water, well, and (00:50:52) septic. I drink the water right out of (00:50:53) the well. (00:50:54) >> Um, and I'll wake up there and I put on (00:50:57) this 20 lb rucks sack and I have this (00:51:00) three and a half mile loop in the woods. (00:51:02) >> When I get back from that loop, I feel (00:51:05) like I took a limitless pill. (00:51:07) >> Oh yeah. like I won the lottery. And I (00:51:09) say it all the time. And um (00:51:11) >> and I and I hope you dive into the Coal (00:51:14) Creek after that. (00:51:15) >> I do. I bought I since I since I don't (00:51:17) have a cold plunge, I I bought a $165 (00:51:20) cattle trough from Tractor Supply. It's (00:51:23) an aluminum. It's an aluminum cattle (00:51:25) trough. And the water comes out of the (00:51:27) glacier about 43 44 degrees. (00:51:30) >> Yeah. So I I fill it with the glacier (00:51:32) water and then I just jump right in (00:51:34) there and I look out at the meadow. But (00:51:37) don't you think it's the most wonderful (00:51:38) feeling when you are so hot and sweaty (00:51:43) >> to dive into that cold plunge? It's just (00:51:46) incredible. (00:51:47) >> And then I go, my wife hates this part, (00:51:48) but then I go back in the house and I'm (00:51:50) like Captain Chatty because I think it's (00:51:52) all the dopamine and norepinephrine and (00:51:53) I want to just talk to somebody. She's (00:51:55) the only one available. So I just (00:51:57) >> I say to people, I say, "Forget the (00:51:59) coffee." (00:52:00) >> Yeah. Oh no, you don't need any coffee. (00:52:01) I call it my drug of choice because (00:52:03) nothing makes me feel better for longer. (00:52:05) >> I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree. (00:52:07) And you get addicted to it because you (00:52:09) feel so good. (00:52:10) >> Yeah. Yeah. We never we never want to (00:52:11) leave there and it's it always just (00:52:13) reminds me that, you know, it's just (00:52:15) back to those (00:52:16) >> so nice. You've got that place. (00:52:17) >> Yeah. Yeah. It's our It's definitely our (00:52:19) happy place. We spent almost three (00:52:20) months there this summer. And sometimes (00:52:22) when I go back to Miami, it almost seems (00:52:24) a little surreal, you know, concrete (00:52:27) jungle. I remember actually one time I (00:52:28) was I took my family on a 10-day uh (00:52:31) extreme vacation to Costa Rica. So, we (00:52:33) went to Costa Rica and every day we did (00:52:35) something else. We canered, we did (00:52:37) whitewater rafting, we did ziplining, we (00:52:39) did all this stuff and I literally woke (00:52:41) up uh in the jungle, this place called (00:52:43) the Pakori Lodge. Beautiful, by the way, (00:52:45) if you ever go to Costa Rica. And um and (00:52:48) but I had an uh an event that evening in (00:52:52) Miami. So, I took like a 4:30 a.m. (00:52:55) shuttle to the airport. I flew to Miami. (00:52:58) I got off. It was at a nightclub called (00:53:01) Live Nightclub in Miami. So I woke up in (00:53:04) the jungle and that afternoon I walked (00:53:06) into this nightclub dur that was set up (00:53:08) for this lecture and I go (00:53:10) >> this is all (00:53:13) >> It just felt it felt so surreal like I (00:53:16) wanted to go back to the jungle. (00:53:17) >> You're on another planet. (00:53:19) >> Yeah. (00:53:20) >> Yeah. And it just I mean the cars going (00:53:22) by and the beeping and the honking and (00:53:24) the lights and the concrete jungle. It (00:53:26) just it felt so surreal like that felt (00:53:30) odd, (00:53:32) >> not the and it only took me 10 days. Um, (00:53:34) not the the jungle I'd come out of, but (00:53:37) so many people are on this healing (00:53:40) journey, if you will, and this search (00:53:42) for uh I call it the search for normaly. (00:53:46) >> Yeah. (00:53:46) >> Um, I think that's where most addiction (00:53:50) begins is the search for normaly, not (00:53:51) the search for high. And so in the (00:53:54) search for normaly in the search for (00:53:56) being optimally healthy, when we talk (00:53:59) about the gut microbiome and the immune (00:54:01) system, what are just some practical (00:54:03) tips that you could give to working (00:54:06) mothers who have to wake up in the (00:54:08) morning, get a kid to school, take care (00:54:10) of their husband, maybe even have a (00:54:11) career during the day. They're coming (00:54:13) home. (00:54:14) >> Yeah. (00:54:14) >> They can't go out and forest bathe. Um, (00:54:18) you know, four or five things would you (00:54:20) say? turn your bathtub into a cold (00:54:22) punch, would you say? (00:54:23) >> Well, well, that's that's where I was. (00:54:26) >> So, I was pregnant or breastfeeding (00:54:28) non-stop 14 years (00:54:29) >> clearly because of the number of (00:54:30) grandchildren you have. (00:54:31) >> Yes. Yes. And I'm in a rainforest. (00:54:34) >> You got a good factory. (00:54:35) >> And uh and I'm homeschooling my children (00:54:38) and I've got no electricity. (00:54:41) >> So, how I did it was I planned my day. I (00:54:44) planned my day. (00:54:46) >> So, mothers, please go to bed early. I (00:54:48) used to breastfeed my babies to sleep (00:54:50) and I usually stayed asleep with them. (00:54:53) >> Yeah. (00:54:53) >> And that allowed me to get up early (00:54:56) >> when you can access. In fact, I read in (00:54:58) one book they called the hours of goal. (00:55:02) >> That early morning when it's quiet cuz (00:55:04) just picture I had to light the fire to (00:55:06) cook my breakfast. (00:55:07) >> Wow. (00:55:08) >> But early morning I could go to bed (00:55:10) early because I went to bed early. A lot (00:55:13) of mothers when the kids go to sleep (00:55:15) then they do their work. No, no, no, no. (00:55:17) You access those hours before midnight. (00:55:20) >> The old saying is an hour before (00:55:22) midnight is worth two after. (00:55:24) >> I've heard that. (00:55:25) >> Yeah. Yep. And the science shows that to (00:55:27) be correct. (00:55:28) >> Okay. (00:55:28) >> So, you go to bed early then you can get (00:55:30) up early and often you've got an hour or (00:55:33) two there. What you do then compared to (00:55:36) what you would do before midnight, you (00:55:39) get twice as much done. (00:55:41) >> So those early nights also keep (00:55:44) hydrated. Go to bed with a glass of (00:55:46) water next to your bed. I see you've got (00:55:48) the Baja salt there with all of its (00:55:50) minerals. Little little bit of salt and (00:55:53) and the glass of water. So, they're two (00:55:56) absolutely vital and exercise. (00:55:59) >> And mothers say, "But I'm busy all day." (00:56:01) Yeah, but get outside. Get on that (00:56:02) trampoline with the kids. Get a bike and (00:56:05) ride the bike. Put the baby in the (00:56:07) backpack. But but movement and food is (00:56:10) very important. So, what's great for (00:56:13) working mothers is a slow cooker. (00:56:16) >> You can put you can put the millet or (00:56:18) you can put the rice or you can put the (00:56:20) lentils in the slow cooker overnight. (00:56:23) And that's how the Scottish always got (00:56:24) away with eating oats (00:56:26) >> is they'd soak them all day and put them (00:56:28) on the fuel stove overnight and that (00:56:31) actually disarms the lectins. (00:56:33) >> Ah, it does. So, cooking actually. (00:56:35) >> So, yep. One lady told me, she said, "I (00:56:38) use a slow cooker overnight for the (00:56:40) millet and I use and as soon as soon as (00:56:44) I've washed it, I put the lentils in (00:56:45) there for lunch." She said, "My slow (00:56:47) cooker is always going." (00:56:49) >> Really? That's a great idea. So, slow (00:56:51) cooker bed getting to bed early. I mean, (00:56:55) I' I've often heard sleep as being (00:56:57) called our superpower. (00:56:59) >> It is. (00:57:00) >> The human superpower. What's so (00:57:02) important about sleep? Like what's going (00:57:04) on during sleep? That's so (00:57:06) >> Well, I I give people God's perfect (00:57:09) mathematical form. (00:57:10) >> Eight hours to work, eight hours to (00:57:12) play, eight hours to sleep. (00:57:15) >> Work, play, and sleep. All very (00:57:18) important. Most people overdo the work (00:57:20) bit. (00:57:20) >> Not enough play. I see that you play in (00:57:22) your white water rafting. (00:57:24) >> Yeah. (00:57:24) >> And that's very important. And the (00:57:28) sleep. So, especially the hours before (00:57:30) midnight. There's a book called Why We (00:57:32) Sleep by Dr. from Matthew Walker (00:57:34) >> and is that the blonde one that I (00:57:36) >> Yeah. Yeah, I've seen him on Joe Rogan. (00:57:37) >> Yeah, he's really good. He goes right (00:57:39) into all the processes that happen in (00:57:42) the night. There's a cleaning process (00:57:44) that's cleaning up any little calcified (00:57:47) plaques on our (00:57:48) >> on our front part of our brain. And (00:57:50) you'll find that people that have (00:57:51) regular late nights, (00:57:53) >> that's a contributing factor to (00:57:55) Alzheimer's. I don't know anyone that (00:57:57) wants to get that. That's enough to get (00:57:59) us to bed early. In fact, if Margaret (00:58:01) Thatcher had known that, I think she (00:58:03) would have gone to bed early. (00:58:05) >> Yeah. (00:58:05) >> But also, what's happening in the night (00:58:07) is a processing system happens or a (00:58:10) filing system of all the day's events. (00:58:13) >> And if we don't if if we don't go to bed (00:58:15) in those early hours, then our short (00:58:18) range memory unit isn't totally emptied (00:58:22) ready for the next day's memories. (00:58:24) >> So, that's another process. (00:58:26) >> Yeah. but also our invention, our (00:58:30) creativity (00:58:31) >> that's that's happening especially in (00:58:33) the early hours of the morning. So the (00:58:36) cleanup is happening more uh before (00:58:39) midnight. (00:58:40) >> Uh the um the filing before midnight (00:58:45) >> and (00:58:47) after midnight then then it's more the (00:58:50) um the processing. It's more the uh (00:58:54) inventions, the dreaming and he shows me (00:58:57) and he and consolidation of what we've (00:58:59) learned (00:59:01) >> and he's got incredible figures in there (00:59:03) because (00:59:04) >> as a I think he worked in Oxford. He had (00:59:07) the opportunity to (00:59:08) >> to test out on quite a few of his (00:59:11) students. Some slept for eight hours, (00:59:13) some slept for six and the difference in (00:59:16) what the 8our sleepers retained compared (00:59:20) to the 6our sleeper. (00:59:21) >> Wow. And now I know one podcast he gives (00:59:24) where he gets everyone's attention is (00:59:27) men are more verile if they have more (00:59:30) sleep and get those (00:59:31) >> soon as you start talking about that. (00:59:33) Yeah. You get you got everyone's (00:59:34) attention. You got everyone's attention. (00:59:35) So it's so funny because you know when (00:59:38) you look at verality and you know sperm (00:59:40) counts at least in the United States are (00:59:42) going down by a percent (00:59:44) >> every year. Oh yeah. (00:59:45) >> And infertility is rising. Oh yeah. by (00:59:48) the divergence of these. (00:59:50) >> It's very scary. (00:59:52) >> In fact, my um uh a good friend of my (00:59:55) wife's just before I walked into this (00:59:57) podcast did a post about her finally (00:59:59) getting pregnant and her journey was (01:00:02) mind-numbing. the IVF, the the blood (01:00:06) filters, the, you know, she flew all (01:00:08) over the world, 200 doctor's visits, and (01:00:11) eventually what she found was uh (01:00:15) catering to her mitochondria. Um, she (01:00:18) did a mitochondrial program, and I (01:00:20) actually want to delve into it. Um, and (01:00:24) this mitochondrial repair, which a lot (01:00:26) of that was related to sleep. (01:00:28) >> Um, this mitochondrial repair. Um, and (01:00:32) thanks, she got pregnant. I think the (01:00:35) body knows, (01:00:36) >> uh, when you're in this constant (01:00:39) sympathetic state of stress. (01:00:41) >> Oh, yeah. (01:00:42) >> Right. Um, and we know too now that, you (01:00:45) know, people say, well, how is stress (01:00:47) related to disease or pathology or (01:00:50) autoimmune? Well, it's directly related (01:00:51) to our immune system. (01:00:52) >> Are you ready? Are you ready for the (01:00:54) explanation? (01:00:55) >> This is why I'm excited for this (01:00:56) explanation. (01:00:56) >> It's it's absolutely so. And I'm I'm so (01:00:59) glad that you talked about the (01:01:00) sympathetic compared to the (01:01:01) parasympathetic. And what (01:01:03) >> one thing that really affects that is (01:01:05) breath. (01:01:07) So, I love the verse in the Bible. It's (01:01:09) it's um Genesis 2:7. It says, "God for (01:01:12) man from the dust of the ground and (01:01:14) breathe into his nostrils." (01:01:16) >> Got that? Not mouth to mouth. M (01:01:18) >> breathe into his nostrils the breath of (01:01:20) life. He became a living soul. Nose is (01:01:23) for breathing. (01:01:24) >> Mouth is for eating, drinking, uh (01:01:28) speaking, singing, kissing. (01:01:31) >> But nose (01:01:32) >> and nose alone is for breathing. Now (01:01:34) when you breathe through your nose with (01:01:36) your abdominal muscles, you stimulate (01:01:39) your parasympathetic nervous system. And (01:01:40) your parasympathetic nervous system is (01:01:42) your peaceful calming nervous system. (01:01:46) But when you're breathing mouth, high (01:01:48) chest, that stimulates the sympathetic (01:01:51) nervous system. And the sympathetic (01:01:53) nervous system is your fight and your (01:01:54) flight. So (01:01:56) >> the that has a direct effect, but also (01:02:00) before midnight, (01:02:02) >> healing accelerates. (01:02:04) >> So lack of sleep has a direct effect not (01:02:08) only in the functioning of our brain, (01:02:09) but also the functioning of our body, (01:02:11) the healing of our body, our immune (01:02:13) system. It's all connected. So in (01:02:15) medicine today the the head's usually (01:02:18) cut off. (01:02:18) >> Yes. (01:02:19) >> So you've got psychiatrist and they (01:02:21) never talk about the body. Then you've (01:02:23) got (01:02:24) >> body but they never talk about the mind (01:02:27) and another things cut off is the teeth. (01:02:29) >> Oh yeah. (01:02:30) >> And well that that well we could spend a (01:02:32) few hours on that one. (01:02:33) >> Yeah. You know I I have to say that um I (01:02:37) I it's not that I wasn't a believer. I (01:02:39) just was unaware of the impact of the (01:02:42) oral microbiome and uh things like um (01:02:46) root canals. I I actually uh have a very (01:02:50) good friend I'm actually interviewing (01:02:52) Dr. Dom today who's one of the great (01:02:54) biologic dentists of our time. He (01:02:56) trained a physician named uh Dr. Gandhi (01:02:58) Jagar Gandhi Jigar Gandhi. And uh I bit (01:03:02) down on something one day and I cracked (01:03:04) one of my teeth and I was like the (01:03:07) dentist and I hate the dentist. And so I (01:03:09) text my friend Dr. Gandhi and he said (01:03:11) take a picture of it. So I took a (01:03:13) picture and I sent it to him and he said (01:03:16) um just from this picture of my cracked (01:03:18) tooth um he could tell I had a root (01:03:20) canal and he said uh let me ask you (01:03:22) something. Does your left uh you have (01:03:25) any issues with your left anterior (01:03:27) shoulder? Yep. That's really weird (01:03:30) because I I thought I had like a minor (01:03:32) bicep tear and it always bothers me in (01:03:35) the gym right there. And and um and then (01:03:38) he said, "Do you ever get left lower (01:03:40) lobe lung pain?" I go, "Well, now you're (01:03:44) starting to freak me out because (01:03:46) whenever I do hits cardio, I get a catch (01:03:49) right here." And I always thought that (01:03:51) it was just my diaphragm, you know, just (01:03:54) like a runner's cramp. And then I kid (01:03:56) you not, he said, "Does your left toe (01:03:59) ever go numb?" I go, "I'm getting (01:04:01) goosebumps actually telling you this (01:04:03) because I go, "Okay, now you have (01:04:06) substantially freaked me out. I've never (01:04:08) told anyone. My wife's always teased me (01:04:11) because I would tap my foot on the (01:04:12) ground or sometimes I would actually (01:04:14) take my shoe off and itch my left toe." (01:04:16) And he said, "Yeah, that's your 19th (01:04:18) tooth meridian. It's uh you had a root (01:04:20) canal there and you've got a cavitation, (01:04:21) probably an infection there." I go, "How (01:04:23) do you know all that from the picture of (01:04:25) my tooth?" So, I went up and saw him and (01:04:28) you know, sure enough, he he did the (01:04:30) cone beam X-ray. I had a big cavitation (01:04:33) right in there and he went in, fixed it, (01:04:36) red light, packed it with plate rich (01:04:38) fibon, capped it. 48 hours later, to (01:04:41) this day, I have had that pain. (01:04:43) >> So, I became an evangelist for uh the (01:04:48) oral microbiome. I went way down the (01:04:51) rabbit hole. I went and sought out Dr. (01:04:53) met with him and um so many of these (01:04:56) root canal you know dentistry (01:04:58) >> I know I know you (01:05:00) >> they think you can leave dead tissue in (01:05:01) the body (01:05:02) >> you that's right that's right and (01:05:04) >> no area of medicine thinks (01:05:06) >> we have I have had so many stories of (01:05:08) people (01:05:09) >> and root canals yeah (01:05:12) >> so what is your advice or your thesis on (01:05:18) the oral microbiome and dental you said (01:05:21) we could spend a podcast on it, but (01:05:23) let's just spend a few minutes on it and (01:05:25) just highlight the importance of it and (01:05:26) what people can do to care for it. (01:05:28) >> Well, one very simple thing that you can (01:05:30) do every day is oil pulling. (01:05:32) >> That's putting the coconut oil in the (01:05:33) mouth and swishing and when it hits (01:05:36) >> But they say you got to do it 20 (01:05:37) minutes, Barbara. That's so long. (01:05:38) >> Nah, forget it. Forget it. I can't do it (01:05:40) for 20 minutes. (01:05:41) >> Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that cuz (01:05:42) I'm like, okay, (01:05:44) >> 10 minutes is enough. (01:05:45) >> Okay. (01:05:46) >> Yeah. I You're like me, but we haven't (01:05:47) got time for something. (01:05:48) >> I don't have time for this nonsense. (01:05:49) >> No. So, you know what I do? When I get (01:05:52) back from plunge, you know, running up (01:05:53) and down hills and plunging in the (01:05:55) creek, I'll I'll have some water, then (01:05:57) I'll put it in while I prepare (01:05:58) breakfast. I just sort of sit there and (01:06:01) swish. (01:06:02) >> But what that does is it pulls waste out (01:06:05) of the tongue. It pulls waste out of the (01:06:07) glands under the tongue. It pulls waste (01:06:09) out of the blood vessels under the (01:06:10) tongue. But it also nourishes the (01:06:13) >> the gums. (01:06:15) they often get forgotten (01:06:17) >> and it gives a better microbiome in the (01:06:20) mouth and then you release it out and (01:06:22) when you release it out you you're (01:06:23) releasing the waste that it's all pulled (01:06:25) out. So, the oil pulling is really good, (01:06:28) but also when you clean your teeth, uh (01:06:32) use a use a um use a toothpaste that (01:06:36) doesn't have sugar, that doesn't have (01:06:38) fluoride, and you can get some great (01:06:40) ones and often uh xylitol because that's (01:06:43) also a little bit anti- anti- uh (01:06:46) >> anti antipathogenic (01:06:49) microbial. Yeah. (01:06:50) >> So, it's just keeping that great (01:06:52) microbiome in your mouth. That's very (01:06:54) important. And of course, our teeth, (01:06:57) they're bathed by fluid from the outside (01:06:59) and fluid fluid from the inside. (01:07:01) >> And it's what we eat and what we drink (01:07:04) and how we live that influences those (01:07:07) fluids that are bathing and (01:07:08) strengthening the teeth. (01:07:10) >> You know, I' I've since that encounter (01:07:12) with Dr. Gandhi. Every day I I don't do (01:07:15) the oil pulling as often as I should. (01:07:17) When I'm home, I do it. Um, but I floss (01:07:20) every night. I tongue scrape every (01:07:22) morning. Uh, I've dropped the fluoride (01:07:25) toothpaste. So, I use a hydroxy appatite (01:07:26) toothpaste. Um, and it I can see night (01:07:30) and day difference. Not my teeth don't (01:07:32) hurt that. My gums aren't sensitive when (01:07:33) I when I brush them anymore. So, that I (01:07:36) I think it all begins here, right? (01:07:38) >> It does. I went uh I've got a friend, (01:07:41) you might know him, Dr. Goran, (01:07:43) >> he's in Harley Street, and he saw my (01:07:45) teeth last year, and he said, "Oh, (01:07:46) there's one on the side. there's just a (01:07:48) little bit of I don't know whether I'd (01:07:51) call it decay, you know, in the side of (01:07:53) the tooth. He just looked at me again. (01:07:55) He said, "Oh, it hasn't changed." (01:07:57) >> You know, that's an indication that my (01:07:59) nutritional status is good. (01:08:01) >> Yeah. Because you're blocking that (01:08:03) pathology from (01:08:04) >> Yeah. I'm not taking anything in that's (01:08:07) chemical. I don't let any harmful things (01:08:09) go into my body. (01:08:10) >> But it's also exercise. It's also early (01:08:13) nights. It's also keeping well hydrated. (01:08:15) So, it's (01:08:15) >> And you're not afraid of the sun, (01:08:16) probably. No, I'm not. (01:08:18) >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been taught to (01:08:20) fear the sun. I saw an interesting graph (01:08:22) of the parabolic rise in skin cancer. (01:08:26) >> Superimposable with the parabolic use of (01:08:29) sunscreen. (01:08:30) >> Absolutely. Ian Whisart, he's an author (01:08:33) that talks about that. (01:08:35) >> In fact, that's it. That was it. (01:08:36) >> He even claims that sunscreens are (01:08:39) causing basilc cell carcinomomas. (01:08:41) >> Yeah. Because of the inflammatory (01:08:43) process, (01:08:43) >> because of the vitamin D deficiency. (01:08:45) >> Yeah. I mean this that that's arguably I (01:08:48) would say maybe vitamin D and maybe zinc (01:08:50) but um probably from from what I've read (01:08:55) the two greatest nutrient deficiencies (01:08:58) in the human body and when you think (01:09:00) about when God made us he made us with (01:09:02) the ability to make one vitamin (01:09:05) >> we only make vitamin D3 we don't make (01:09:06) any other vitamins I mean without eating (01:09:09) drinking ingesting um you know we make (01:09:11) it from sunlight and cholesterol (01:09:13) >> um and we've also vilified cholesterol (01:09:15) And we if only we had another few hours, (01:09:18) we could go to cholesterol, but we (01:09:19) haven't got time to go there. (01:09:22) >> Well, let's touch on it really quick (01:09:23) before we wind the podcast. (01:09:25) >> How can we do that? (01:09:26) >> Um um I use Whoop every single day. You (01:09:30) guys see me post my sleep scores all the (01:09:32) time. 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Now, let's get back to (01:10:19) the ultimate human podcast. I think the (01:10:22) first thing we could do is maybe dispel (01:10:24) the myth that LDL cholesterol on its own (01:10:28) is the marker for cardiovascular (01:10:30) disease. Um, we found I can tell you (01:10:33) what the big data says that there was no (01:10:35) correlation between elevated levels of (01:10:37) LDL cholesterol on its own and (01:10:39) cardiovascular disease. Now it became a (01:10:42) a marker when you had elevated (01:10:44) triglycerides and you had presence of (01:10:47) lipo little A and lipo B and some some (01:10:49) of these other things. But cholesterol (01:10:52) is a a construction material. (01:10:54) >> Oh it absolutely is. And I love what Dr. (01:10:56) Malcolm Kendrick said in his book the (01:10:58) great cholesterol con. He said for the (01:11:00) first time normal levels of a normal (01:11:03) vital body substance is been caused a (01:11:06) disease. (01:11:07) >> So then the question is well what causes (01:11:08) heart disease? Do you know it's exactly (01:11:11) the same as when I cut my hand, the (01:11:13) blood clots (01:11:15) >> and you damage the arterial wall, the (01:11:17) blood clots (01:11:18) >> and it starts to clot. And if it keeps (01:11:21) getting damaged, the clots keep coming. (01:11:23) >> And so what's damaging it? All the (01:11:25) environmental poisons we're exposed to. (01:11:27) The cheap seed oils. I say to people, (01:11:29) walk straight past them. Don't touch (01:11:31) them. (01:11:32) >> They get into the blood. They damage the (01:11:34) tissues. Micotoxins damage the tissues. (01:11:37) Mercury damages the those little (01:11:40) endothelon cells. Now lining the (01:11:43) endothelium is a little hairy layer (01:11:46) called the glycoallex (01:11:48) >> and that protects the endothelium and (01:11:51) when people are on high sugar high (01:11:52) carbohydrate diet it actually kills and (01:11:56) knocks off the glycalus. So you see (01:11:59) there's all of that. (01:12:01) >> Yeah. (01:12:01) >> That's what's causing heart disease. (01:12:03) >> Yeah. And you know cholesterol is one of (01:12:06) those things that gets called to the (01:12:08) site of inflammation or damage. It (01:12:10) doesn't just (01:12:10) >> well the other thing is when they have (01:12:12) tested those plaques they find fat in (01:12:16) there cholesterol type fat. But when you (01:12:19) realize that the membrane around every (01:12:21) red blood cell is 50% fat (01:12:23) >> and what's the clot made out of? (01:12:26) >> Platelets and dead red blood cells. So (01:12:28) they test it and they see the fat, but (01:12:30) it's actually the the uh structure of (01:12:33) the membrane around the red blood cell. (01:12:37) >> I'm reading a book called The Clot (01:12:39) Thickens by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick. (01:12:41) >> Really? (01:12:42) >> Yes. (01:12:42) >> The clot thickens. I'm going to read (01:12:44) that. (01:12:45) >> And he Oh, he's (01:12:46) >> So these are so red blood cells, which (01:12:48) do have a phospholipid billayer, right? (01:12:50) This makes sense to me. Um have a (01:12:52) phosphoipid blayer, get called to the (01:12:54) site of injury to create a clot. Let's (01:12:56) just call it that for a moment. (01:12:58) >> And then after the hemoglobin (01:13:00) is extracted, you have the phospholipid (01:13:04) blayer fat that is now creating this (01:13:07) sticky (01:13:09) >> and they're pointing to cholesterol. (01:13:11) >> And that brings us to nitric oxide (01:13:14) >> which only is released when we nose (01:13:16) breathe. And nitric oxide is a vasod (01:13:18) diilator. (01:13:20) >> But nitric oxide also stimulates new (01:13:24) endothelium cells. And the glycalis, (01:13:28) the glycoal, that's that little furry (01:13:31) lining on the endothelium, (01:13:33) >> it releases nitric oxide. (01:13:35) >> So when the high sugar diet has knocked (01:13:38) off all the glycolaxis, (01:13:41) >> you've actually lost your nitric oxide (01:13:43) from there. Nitric oxide is also (01:13:46) released in nose breathing. So (01:13:47) everyone's all clogged up because (01:13:49) they're on the high wheat, high sugar (01:13:51) diet. So they're breathing with their (01:13:52) mouth. So they're not getting nitric (01:13:54) oxide there. (01:13:56) >> Can you see that? (01:13:57) >> That's one of the reasons why I I'll (01:13:58) mouth tape sometimes at night. (01:14:00) >> Oh, it's a great idea. (01:14:01) >> And I actually do notice my sleep scores (01:14:03) improve. (01:14:03) >> And I've noticed that you didn't die. (01:14:07) >> That's a great observation. (01:14:10) >> Most people, (01:14:11) >> which is the Yeah. Is the is the key (01:14:13) feature of a healer. So is is (01:14:14) observation. So you noticed that I was (01:14:16) alive. (01:14:17) >> Yeah. Well, that's what people think. (01:14:18) They think they're going to die if they (01:14:21) tape their mouth up. Mhm. (01:14:23) >> They do. Well, you will if your nose is (01:14:25) all congested. (01:14:26) >> It's an excellent book, Breath. James (01:14:27) Nester, he it's a fantastic read and I (01:14:31) love the way he quotes many other (01:14:34) scientists, researchers, doctors who've (01:14:37) come to the same conclusion. He presents (01:14:39) his case, which I I really like, and he (01:14:42) shows that the more we nose breathe, the (01:14:45) more the little canals open up. (01:14:47) >> So, the more we mouth breathe, the more (01:14:49) they close. M I mean that's kind of true (01:14:52) with every physiologic process in the (01:14:54) body. The body has a way of ignoring (01:14:56) things that we don't use. If you put a (01:14:57) cast on your ankle, it atrophies. (01:14:59) >> You don't use it, you'll lose it. Same (01:15:01) with the brain. (01:15:02) >> Yeah, very true. So, final thing I want (01:15:05) to touch on um is the brain. And you (01:15:08) know there's I I think some of the (01:15:10) greatest fear especially in the older (01:15:12) population is Alzheimer's, dementia, (01:15:15) neuro neurodeenerative decline, (01:15:17) neurocognitive decline, whatever you (01:15:19) want to call that. Um obviously living a (01:15:23) lifestyle of whole foods, movement, (01:15:27) sunlight, grounding, breath work, those (01:15:29) things are they really are medicine. Um, (01:15:32) but if somebody particularly wants to (01:15:35) care for their brain, they're noticing (01:15:38) that they have a family history of (01:15:40) cognitive decline or neurodeenerative (01:15:42) disorders. Um, they're noticing the (01:15:45) brain fog sort of start to creep in. (01:15:48) It's getting increasingly more (01:15:50) disruptive to their daily life. What, if (01:15:54) anything, can they do specifically for (01:15:55) the brain? (01:15:56) >> Well, I always want to know the cause (01:15:59) >> and I'm a Bible student. There's no (01:16:01) mention of Alzheimer's (01:16:03) >> in the Bible. The Bible spans thousands (01:16:06) of years. (01:16:07) >> In fact, you look at 150 years ago, it (01:16:10) was quite rare. So, we've got to look at (01:16:12) what's happening, what has happened. (01:16:14) >> And a lot of the time it is damage. (01:16:16) Damage to the cells. What causes the (01:16:18) damage? Mercury is a big one. We've got (01:16:20) to get it out of the teeth, out of the (01:16:22) fish, (01:16:23) >> and also out of the flu vaccine. I heard (01:16:26) that Robert Kennedy Jr. recently took it (01:16:28) out of the flu vaccine. That was good (01:16:30) news. Do you know it's just little by (01:16:32) little by little. And I mentioned (01:16:34) earlier lack of sleep. (01:16:36) >> Um Margaret Thatcher boasted she only (01:16:38) needed 5 hours sleep a night. Ronald (01:16:40) Reagan boasted he only needed 5 hours (01:16:42) sleep a night. And I'm sure it wasn't (01:16:44) 5:00 p.m. to 10 p.m. (01:16:46) >> 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m. probably. (01:16:48) >> Yes. And they they both ended last 20 (01:16:51) years of their life with severe (01:16:53) dementia. I'm not saying it is just lack (01:16:56) of sleep. That's one of the factors and (01:16:58) in every case it can be different (01:16:59) factors. So we got to get to bed early. (01:17:03) >> Hydration. We saw one lady come with (01:17:05) dementia. She wouldn't even look at you. (01:17:07) She's just looking through you. (01:17:09) >> Yeah. (01:17:09) >> We found out she hadn't wasn't drinking (01:17:11) water. Hadn't been open to bowels for 6 (01:17:14) days. (01:17:15) >> Oh my god. (01:17:16) >> We got the bowels moving. We got her (01:17:17) hydrated. Within 48 hours there was no (01:17:19) sign of dementia. (01:17:21) >> So can you see there's different there's (01:17:23) there's water. There's good salts, which (01:17:26) is the best way to hydrate. There's (01:17:28) >> You actually turned me on to that. I saw (01:17:30) a lecture you did where you put Celtic (01:17:31) salt right on the on the tongue. (01:17:33) >> I think that's my most famous lecture. (01:17:35) >> Is it? Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. (01:17:36) >> And you know what? Every (01:17:37) >> And I went deep down the rabbit hole on (01:17:39) salt. And you're right. We've been lied (01:17:40) to about salt, too. (01:17:42) >> And you know what everyone loved about (01:17:44) that? By the way, it's easy to do, (01:17:47) >> right? (01:17:48) >> Anyone can (01:17:49) >> No, that bag of salt will cost you, I (01:17:51) don't know, $10 and it'll probably last (01:17:52) you. (01:17:52) >> It'll last you a long time. I've got a (01:17:54) store that I travel with. (01:17:55) >> I'll give you that one before you leave. (01:17:57) >> So, (01:17:57) >> it's great. (01:17:58) >> There's also So, can you see in every (01:18:01) case it can be slightly different, (01:18:04) >> but there are some fundamentals (01:18:05) >> there is. And uh I love the saying I (01:18:09) read in an old book, many might be well (01:18:10) if only they thought so. (01:18:14) >> That's a great one. (01:18:16) >> I love that. (01:18:17) >> So true. (01:18:18) >> So, if someone thinks they're going to (01:18:19) get dementia, they probably will. (01:18:21) >> Mhm. And (01:18:22) >> the Bible says that, too. So a man (01:18:24) thinkketh, he shall become. (01:18:25) >> As a man thinkketh in his heart, so is (01:18:27) he. (01:18:27) >> And a lady said to me one day, "I can't (01:18:29) sleep. I can't sleep. I can't sleep." I (01:18:31) said, "Don't say that anymore." She (01:18:32) said, "Why not?" (01:18:33) >> I said, "Because every cell in your body (01:18:35) is listening." (01:18:36) >> And it says, "Looks like we can't (01:18:38) sleep." (01:18:39) >> Yeah. And so when you lay down to sleep, (01:18:40) you go, "This is something I don't do (01:18:42) well." (01:18:42) >> Yeah. (01:18:43) >> Yeah. (01:18:43) >> And they all say, "Oh, yeah, we're (01:18:45) listening." So what I say is, just say, (01:18:48) "I'm going to try. (01:18:49) >> I'm going to get there." Like my (01:18:51) daughter Emma, she said, "Mom, I'm going (01:18:52) to grow up in a minute." (01:18:54) >> She was five. (01:18:55) >> Yeah. You know, (01:18:56) >> it (01:18:56) >> took her another 10 years. It It's (01:18:58) actually your words have a had an effect (01:19:01) on your mind. (01:19:02) >> You know, it reminds me of a funny story (01:19:04) just popped in my mind years ago. I I (01:19:06) had a friend named Mark Goodman. He had (01:19:08) this home on a island, You Island, and (01:19:11) and all the kids and I used to go out (01:19:13) there and we were participating in this (01:19:14) fishing tournament one day. So all the (01:19:16) kids had those little, you know, ones (01:19:18) that you the line you unwrap and we had (01:19:21) chicken down and we're catching fish (01:19:24) >> uh on the pier. It's all line with (01:19:25) families and kids and this little girl, (01:19:27) she was probably 10 years old. She falls (01:19:30) into the water and she starts thrashing (01:19:32) around and she's starts screaming and uh (01:19:37) all the parents from the other uh you (01:19:40) know pier all jump in. They're all (01:19:42) making their way over to her and my (01:19:44) partner is right next to her and I know (01:19:46) he's not doing anything and he just (01:19:48) yells at her. He goes, "Stand up." And (01:19:50) she stood up and it was like less than (01:19:52) wasty water cuz I was coming down the (01:19:56) pier and you know and he was just so (01:19:58) calm and he let her thrash for a second (01:20:00) and he said, "Stand up." And then she (01:20:02) just stood up and it was like literally (01:20:04) below her waist. So by the time all the (01:20:07) parents who are now soaking wet in all (01:20:09) their clothes, you know, and all the (01:20:10) moms the hats flying off had made their (01:20:12) way over to her, she was just standing (01:20:14) up. So sometimes the solutions right in (01:20:17) front of us, (01:20:18) >> you know, it it often very much is. So (01:20:21) really, we we got to tick the boxes. (01:20:24) >> Yeah, (01:20:24) >> we got to tick the boxes now. (01:20:26) >> Keep keep that body moving. Keep that (01:20:29) colon working. have the And if you're (01:20:32) well hydrated and you're eating lots of (01:20:34) plants, it it it will and relax, laugh (01:20:37) more. (01:20:38) >> Yeah. (01:20:39) >> Do you know children laugh 125 times a (01:20:41) day? (01:20:43) >> Adults maybe. (01:20:44) >> And you know, my my daughter-in-law told (01:20:46) me this that her her little grandson (01:20:49) Sunny, the guy that stood on the dusty (01:20:51) n, he called her in one night and said, (01:20:53) "Mom, she's put him to bed." He said, (01:20:54) "What is it?" He said, "I found a new (01:20:56) laugh." (01:20:57) >> She said, "What is it?" And he went, (01:21:04) That's so good. (01:21:05) >> You know, we we should laugh more (01:21:06) because agree. Member of the Bru social. (01:21:10) >> Yeah. Sense of community and purpose. (01:21:12) Barbara, you're amazing. Um, where can (01:21:15) my audience find you if they want to (01:21:16) know more about you? (01:21:18) >> I'm about to make an official statement. (01:21:21) >> Official Barbara (01:21:22) >> O'Neal.com. (01:21:24) >> Barbara official (01:21:26) is official. (01:21:27) >> Do you have a book? I have a couple of (01:21:30) books. (01:21:30) >> I was going to say you really need a (01:21:31) book and I'm going to read them. (01:21:32) >> I've got I've got a book on micotoxins. (01:21:35) >> You do. (01:21:35) >> I'm so happy to hear you talk about (01:21:37) micotoxins. (01:21:37) >> Oh, mold and micotoxins (01:21:38) >> because that's an area many people don't (01:21:40) know about because of the ignorance. (01:21:42) I've written a book on it and it's (01:21:43) called self-heal by design. (01:21:46) >> Do you talk about detoxing from mold and (01:21:48) microtoxin? (01:21:48) >> The true role of microorganisms in (01:21:51) disease (01:21:52) >> and that was my first book. I think I (01:21:54) wrote that in about 2016. Now my most (01:21:57) recent book that was published last year (01:21:59) is called sustain me and sustain me is (01:22:02) an acronym for the basic laws of health. (01:22:05) Sustain me is a handbook on natural (01:22:07) therapies. I have a chapter on (01:22:09) hydrotherapy a chapter on pulvises have (01:22:12) I start at the head. I look at ears are (01:22:15) the eyes ears uh respiratory I go into (01:22:19) the stomach bones. So it's like a (01:22:22) handbook on natural remedies. (01:22:23) >> Fantastic. My husband has written a book (01:22:25) called The Assassination of Barbara (01:22:27) O'Neal. (01:22:28) >> Wow, that will be a good one. (01:22:31) >> Now, as you can see, I have not been (01:22:32) assassinated. (01:22:33) >> Yes. I would say we should change the (01:22:35) title maybe to the unsuccessful (01:22:37) assassination. (01:22:37) >> But I said to Michael I said to Michael, (01:22:39) "That's a bit strong." He said, "No, (01:22:41) it's good." (01:22:41) >> Yeah. No, it it'll get it'll get (01:22:43) attention. (01:22:44) >> And it it's basically a book of uh why I (01:22:47) was banned and what the Australian (01:22:48) government did to me. (01:22:50) >> Fantastic. Well, um, we're going to go (01:22:52) in for just a few minutes into my VIP (01:22:55) group. I have a VIP community. These are (01:22:57) these are the real community that I (01:22:59) serve. I spend a lot of time with them. (01:23:01) We do one-on- ons and live coaching and (01:23:05) I'm trying to build an army of (01:23:06) like-minded people. Um, so folks can (01:23:09) become a VIP by just going to my (01:23:11) website, ultimatehum.com/vip (01:23:14) because they're the only ones that I let (01:23:16) know who's coming on the podcast and (01:23:18) then they they get to ask some (01:23:20) questions. So, they got a couple of (01:23:21) questions for you. 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