Errol Musk, Father of Elon Musk, Tells His Life Story (Full Interview) (YouTube Video Transcript)

(00:00:00) Your YouTube transcript will appear here (00:00:06) all right here we go today we have Errol (00:00:07) musk father of Elon Musk who's currently (00:00:10) the richest man in the world with a net (00:00:12) worth of $427 billion which is almost (00:00:15) half a trillion dollars welcome to Vlad (00:00:18) TV well thank you thank you very (00:00:21) much well I want to get into your whole (00:00:23) story but before I do your son Elon has (00:00:26) been in the news recently because when (00:00:28) he was at the inauguration he made a (00:00:30) salute which looked kind of like a Nazi (00:00:33) Hitler salute did you see that you know (00:00:36) I had people send me the photograph what (00:00:38) did you think when you saw that well (00:00:40) it's nonsense you know I mean obviously (00:00:41) it's not a just a air pump what do you (00:00:43) call it (00:00:45) a a sort of a victory wave you know they (00:00:48) air pumping you know nothing nothing (00:00:51) like that I mean you know that's (00:00:54) ridiculous you know well the reason why (00:00:57) people are referencing it is because uh (00:00:59) back in (00:01:03) 2023 Elon actually responded to a tweet (00:01:08) you know what I'm talking about no well (00:01:11) there was a tweet that someone put up (00:01:12) that said Jewish communities have been (00:01:13) pushing the exact kind of dialectical (00:01:15) hatred against whites they claim to want (00:01:17) people to stop using against them I'm (00:01:20) deeply disinterested in giving the (00:01:21) tiniest [ __ ] now about Western Jewish (00:01:23) populations coming to disturbing (00:01:25) realization the hordes of minorities (00:01:27) that support flooding their country (00:01:28) don't exactly like them too much you (00:01:30) want the truth set it to your face there (00:01:32) it is and then Elon actually responded (00:01:34) to that tweet and said you have said the (00:01:36) actual (00:01:37) truth well you know uh what was he (00:01:41) saying he's saying it's a good thing or (00:01:43) a bad thing to have people coming into (00:01:44) your country or what do your problem (00:01:47) well it was it was two two different (00:01:49) parts so the first thing is saying that (00:01:52) Jewish communities push a hatred against (00:01:55) whites that they claim that they want (00:01:57) people to stop doing to them that's the (00:02:00) first part I haven't seen that I seen (00:02:04) that and the second one (00:02:06) is I'm deeply disinterested and giving (00:02:08) the tiniest [ __ ] about how Western (00:02:10) Jewish populations coming to the (00:02:11) disturbing realization that the [ __ ] (00:02:13) of minorities that support flooding (00:02:15) their country don't exactly like them (00:02:17) too much so I guess they're saying that (00:02:18) the immigrants that are coming into (00:02:20) these countries don't like Jewish people (00:02:22) either that's the the gist of it and (00:02:24) then elon's response he he you know (00:02:27) tweeted a response that said you have (00:02:29) said the actual truth (00:02:30) you know I I can't imagine what he means (00:02:33) or even what your statement means first (00:02:36) of all the Jewish people are so heavily (00:02:38) integrated into Western Society uh you (00:02:41) know 50% of my friends are Jewish um I'm (00:02:45) about one eight Jewish or something (00:02:47) because my mother's grandfather was a (00:02:49) Jewish guy uh Elon that for that matter (00:02:52) then would be also a little bit but you (00:02:54) know we favor the Jewish people very (00:02:56) much so I can't we love them I mean they (00:02:58) such smart people how can they how can (00:03:00) you not favor them but um yeah no I I (00:03:04) can't understand what that means and I (00:03:05) certainly can't imagine that people (00:03:07) coming into a country particularly (00:03:09) isolate one group of people like let's (00:03:12) say the Jews or something and don't like (00:03:14) them it's conceivable it's conceivable (00:03:16) because if many of the people coming in (00:03:19) let's say are the from the Muslim World (00:03:21) well there's a sort of you know you sort (00:03:23) of brought up in the Muslim world to be (00:03:26) at odds with the Jewish people (00:03:27) conceivably I don't I can't say for sure (00:03:30) on the other hand I've just been spent (00:03:31) two weeks in Dubai with the shake of (00:03:33) Dubai as a guest of his and uh I mean (00:03:37) these are the finest people you could (00:03:38) ever imagine and not the slightest kind (00:03:42) of you know dislike for anyone they're (00:03:44) very proud people in their own right so (00:03:47) I think it's just nonsense I tell (00:03:50) nonsense yeah I mean these things are (00:03:52) blown out of proportion sometimes and (00:03:54) sometimes you respond to tweets you (00:03:55) don't fully understand the context of (00:03:57) them I think that's what Elon ultimately (00:03:58) said he said he doesn't really (00:04:00) understand anti-Semitism that much and I (00:04:02) think he actually visited a holocaust (00:04:04) museum at one point shortly afterwards (00:04:07) so you know it is what it is yes no he's (00:04:10) been to uh you know Israel look I mean I (00:04:14) don't like to uh like just show interest (00:04:18) in the I I do care about the Jewish (00:04:20) people and Israel obviously it's part of (00:04:22) the judeo Christian world at the same (00:04:26) time I also am very fond of people I've (00:04:29) met in the well they're like in Cairo (00:04:32) and and in Egypt and to me they are just (00:04:34) as important I've never been to Gaza but (00:04:36) I think those people should get as Fair (00:04:39) a shake as possible I don't think it's (00:04:41) just one-sided story on the other hand (00:04:44) you know what these so-called terrorist (00:04:47) organizations try to do is is you know (00:04:50) borders on Way Beyond in Insanity so you (00:04:53) know at the end of the day um we're all (00:04:56) people we're all trying to get along (00:04:57) with each other and I think that's what (00:04:58) Elon would say as well you know we all (00:05:00) need to see the best in each other what (00:05:03) else yeah I agree I'm Jewish myself and (00:05:06) my entire life Israel has been at (00:05:10) War you know with various organizations (00:05:12) surrounding them and uh I just hope at (00:05:14) some point it'll all be over and that (00:05:16) could be some peace in the Middle (00:05:17) East yes of course I mean uh everybody (00:05:21) in the Judea Christian world you know is (00:05:23) very concerned about Israel you know I I (00:05:26) subscribe to the fact that Israel has (00:05:28) you know been there to half th000 or (00:05:31) 3,000 years ago is Israel you know I (00:05:32) mean let's face it you know you can't (00:05:35) say now you know that's not where they (00:05:37) should be I mean that's nonsense I mean (00:05:39) obviously Israel is Israel it's been (00:05:41) through the through the difficult most (00:05:44) difficult times imaginable I think it's (00:05:45) very good what we've got today but I do (00:05:47) think that someh orow other we have to (00:05:49) like uh you know give the is it you know (00:05:53) I read a while back that the (00:05:55) Palestinians at one point meant people (00:05:58) of Jewish and Arab Faith who lived in (00:06:01) that area you know so Palestinians were (00:06:04) people that's like in 100 years ago and (00:06:07) um you know those was called the (00:06:09) Palestinians they grouped the Muslims or (00:06:11) rather the Arabs and the uh Jewish (00:06:13) people together so today we talk about (00:06:15) the Palestinians as being like purely (00:06:17) the Arab element but I I think they if (00:06:19) somehow we can give them a fair Shake I (00:06:22) I hate to read about these Hamas I (00:06:25) actually had a telephone call from maras (00:06:27) a while back I must to tell you but at (00:06:29) any rate (00:06:30) I uh wait wait wait wait you had a (00:06:32) telephone call from someone from Hamas (00:06:34) yes it was quite a long time how go uh (00:06:37) it was in uh after the uh after the uh (00:06:42) incredible atrocities that took place in (00:06:45) October the 7th on October the 7th I (00:06:48) think um a while after that I'm not too (00:06:51) sure how far maybe already in the next (00:06:54) year I'm not sure uh they wanted (00:06:58) stalling so I got a message from them (00:07:01) because they said they can't contact (00:07:03) Elon and they need starlink in (00:07:05) Gaza so I said all right well I'll I'll (00:07:08) forward their request to Elon and then (00:07:11) subsequently sink was enabled in Gaza (00:07:13) with the idea that it with the provide (00:07:16) Proviso that it um deals it's only for (00:07:19) humanitarian purposes soal you know and (00:07:22) yeah so I did have you know they're just (00:07:24) people I mean just other people they're (00:07:26) not uh it's not Superman and Spider-Man (00:07:28) you know (00:07:32) so now that we got that out of the way I (00:07:33) want to get into your story so you're (00:07:35) born in South Africa yes so I'm born in (00:07:38) South Africa elon's born in South Africa (00:07:41) yeah now when you were a child apartheid (00:07:44) was still a thing (00:07:46) yes from your point of view how would (00:07:48) you describe it well you know we aparte (00:07:52) was something that you know South Africa (00:07:55) inherited from the European powers that (00:07:57) occupied Africa you up until about this (00:08:01) sort of starting in the 60s they started (00:08:03) to sort of get rid of Africa so (00:08:06) everywhere in Africa up until about you (00:08:09) know 65 or so you know was a part8 so if (00:08:14) you went to uh any country which I did (00:08:17) uh you know rodesia in those days (00:08:20) Northern rodesia the Congo there was it (00:08:24) was all a part8 everywhere was a part8 (00:08:27) it's just that South Africa put a label (00:08:29) on it in 1948 calling it a part A but we (00:08:32) we inherited this from the in South (00:08:35) Africa we inherited it from the British (00:08:38) occupier or the British uh um government (00:08:41) that we had here for nearly um at the (00:08:44) time nearly 200 years so um I don't know (00:08:47) if you know for example um people of (00:08:49) color were not allowed into (00:08:52) Holland uh at all although Holland had (00:08:55) many um uh places in the world like you (00:08:58) know bavia in the East and all that sort (00:09:01) of stuff colored people were not allowed (00:09:03) into Holland it was against the law so (00:09:06) even we had a colored uh governor in the (00:09:09) cape when the Dutch were running uh (00:09:11) South Africa that's before the British (00:09:13) called Simon fondell he was a he was a (00:09:16) molat colored he wasn't allowed he was (00:09:18) the governor of the cape and he was very (00:09:19) famous guy he was never allowed into (00:09:21) Holland so these are things we inherited (00:09:24) and unfortunately it took time to get (00:09:26) rid of these type of things and you know (00:09:30) um ingrain uh beliefs you know had to be (00:09:33) put aside took time and today we in (00:09:37) South Africa we actually have a (00:09:39) situation today in South Africa where (00:09:41) you know it's like the best that's ever (00:09:42) been we don't have any kind of racism (00:09:45) I've never seen racism in fact I'd give (00:09:47) you I give you $100 if you can show me (00:09:49) even more if you could show me a racist (00:09:51) incident in South Africa doesn't (00:09:54) exist well you actually remember when (00:09:57) Mandela got locked up yes I do I was at (00:10:00) M Mandela's trial in (00:10:03) 1963 when I was in finally uh school I (00:10:07) was I went on my bicycle to I was (00:10:09) interested in that kind of thing and he (00:10:10) was on trial at the synagogue oddly (00:10:13) enough in the main street in Petoria the (00:10:16) capital city he was on trial for murder (00:10:18) you know the murdering of women and (00:10:21) children and he was uh sentence to death (00:10:25) and then the uh sentence was commuted (00:10:29) which resulted in people literally (00:10:31) crying and weeping in the street because (00:10:34) they wanted him hanged because of the (00:10:35) terrible things that he had done but (00:10:38) it's thank God they didn't hang him I (00:10:39) mean I don't believe in that kind of (00:10:41) thing and he went on to become a very (00:10:43) inspirational (00:10:45) leader I mean if I were to tell you in (00:10:48) 1963 that Mandela is going to go to (00:10:50) prison for 27 years and then get out (00:10:53) then become the first black president of (00:10:56) South Africa what would you say to me (00:10:58) well I wouldn't have said that in the (00:10:59) street at the time because you would (00:11:00) have probably had upset people very much (00:11:03) because they would have thought you off (00:11:05) your head but I've said recently you (00:11:07) know about this chap Tommy Robinson I (00:11:09) said on British television that he's (00:11:12) similar to to uh in the respect some (00:11:14) respects to Mandela because they've (00:11:16) jailed him in solitary confinement for (00:11:19) 18 months because he uh is pointing (00:11:23) fingers at the gang rape gangs in (00:11:25) England it's also a political prisoner (00:11:27) and I said on the television (00:11:30) Tommy Robinson is very likely one of (00:11:31) your future Prime Ministers same sort of (00:11:34) thing and I equated it to the situation (00:11:36) with Mandela I mean who would have (00:11:38) thought but in the end you know Common (00:11:41) Sense prevails and Mandela was a a (00:11:45) fantastic influence I unfortunately I (00:11:47) saw him I saw him at the inauguration (00:11:49) I've never actually met him but when he (00:11:52) was inaugurated as president but I never (00:11:54) actually met him um but he was a (00:11:57) tremendously good influence on South (00:11:59) Africa (00:12:01) okay so you're living in South Africa (00:12:03) you graduate high school and you go to (00:12:05) college at the University of Petoria I (00:12:09) went to University of vit vron oh (00:12:13) Vitz and then I subsequently went to (00:12:16) ptor University okay got it got (00:12:20) it now your first wife may you knew her (00:12:23) since high school I knew her since (00:12:26) primary school I met her I I bumped into (00:12:29) at Primary School when she was about 10 (00:12:32) years of age I was 12 I just come back (00:12:33) from England we'd lived in England for 2 (00:12:35) years with my mom my brother and I met (00:12:39) her at the school uh was sort of bumped (00:12:41) into at that primary school I was with (00:12:43) her right through high school I went out (00:12:45) with most of her friends I never went (00:12:46) out with her but towards the end of the (00:12:49) high school I started dating her and we (00:12:51) got on very (00:12:53) well and then in 1970 you guys got (00:12:56) married we dated for 6 years and then we (00:12:58) got married yes (00:13:01) and on June 28th (00:13:03) 1971 same birthday as me by the way oh (00:13:06) really yeah we me and Elon I share the (00:13:08) same birthday Elon Musk was born yes N9 (00:13:11) months and 2 days after the uh wedding (00:13:15) pretty weird mhm now during that time (00:13:18) you guys were fairly well off (00:13:21) financially no well look I started off (00:13:24) absolutely at the bottom bottom of the (00:13:26) barrel I had absolutely nothing uh when (00:13:29) I left you University I uh had had seven (00:13:32) scholarships but I'd still borrowed some (00:13:35) money uh not a lot but I had to you know (00:13:38) find a way to pay it back I I was (00:13:41) fortunate enough to be employed by a (00:13:43) firm of Consulting Engineers from (00:13:44) England and um I was obviously just a (00:13:47) junior electrical engineer with him and (00:13:50) um at that time I was about 23 and um uh (00:13:55) this firm very famous firm they were (00:13:57) also doing the um (00:13:59) this the Opera House in in in in Sydney (00:14:03) so the these were Big Shots you know (00:14:04) they were from Preston or PR Preston in (00:14:07) England anyway they they were they (00:14:09) treated South Africa as a sort of second (00:14:11) rate place which was pretty normal I (00:14:14) mean the English people the England (00:14:17) England you know officers officials who (00:14:20) came to see us so was treated as a (00:14:22) second class you know sort of second (00:14:24) class people and um anyway they they (00:14:27) messed up work they were doing that (00:14:29) they'd be granted by the South African (00:14:30) government they treated it totally (00:14:33) without interest and they were actually (00:14:35) given marching orders and told you know (00:14:37) that either they they leave the leave (00:14:40) the country as as or they're going to be (00:14:42) taken to court by the government here so (00:14:45) they closed their office and um an older (00:14:47) man you know he was about 10 15 years (00:14:50) older me he came to me and he said look (00:14:53) uh cuz I'd like this kind of work and he (00:14:54) said why don't he and I take over this (00:14:57) practice so I said well you know know (00:15:00) really and then he said yes so we we got (00:15:03) together we found a way to do it because (00:15:05) cost us at the time in today's money you (00:15:08) know it cost us about $112,000 but in (00:15:10) today that was in (00:15:13) 1972 it was a lot of money you know you (00:15:16) could buy uh could buy a lot of things (00:15:18) with $1,000 in (00:15:20) 1972 and that's what we had to pay for (00:15:22) the library and uh so you can add a (00:15:25) couple of norts behind that you know and (00:15:28) uh anyway (00:15:30) we um we went on and uh I really got (00:15:34) into this I found it was work that I did (00:15:36) very well and after a while the older (00:15:39) man said he couldn't take the stress of (00:15:41) not knowing when they're going to be (00:15:42) paid we get we are going to be paid (00:15:44) because you didn't get pay on a regular (00:15:46) basis and he asked if he could leave so (00:15:48) I said all right so he left and I (00:15:50) continued in the practice so within 2 (00:15:53) years I I bought my first (00:15:55) airplane and um you know um all that (00:15:59) sort of thing I was able to marry may I (00:16:01) took on Hol on on honeymoon to Europe I (00:16:04) I was really doing well I was able to (00:16:06) marry her for the first time because I (00:16:07) was earning a lot of money uh as a (00:16:10) Consulting engineer and it just got more (00:16:12) and more so you know within a within a (00:16:15) about four five years I actually bought (00:16:18) the home of the uh I bought one of the (00:16:21) five finest homes in the city and that (00:16:24) home today is home to the European (00:16:27) ambassador to South Africa it was (00:16:30) a little while ago it was also the (00:16:32) headquarters of the United Nations for (00:16:33) the southern hemisphere so that home I (00:16:36) bought when I was about 26 27 and so it (00:16:39) gives you some idea that are doing (00:16:41) pretty well and um yeah really well bit (00:16:45) like Elon you know but in a smaller way (00:16:48) so you were married for 10 years and in (00:16:49) 1980 you got divorced that's right from (00:16:53) your point of view what caused the (00:16:55) divorce well you know we were at the (00:16:58) time on the as it happened on the top of (00:17:00) the social Financial political I had (00:17:03) become a city council of the capital (00:17:05) city as an English speaking person the (00:17:07) only English speaking person on the (00:17:09) council in fact for for about 50 40 (00:17:12) years or something I was always the one (00:17:14) who was uh in the news because they (00:17:17) could never get comments from these (00:17:19) Africans or South African Dutch people (00:17:21) counselors and so we were at the top of (00:17:24) the social (00:17:25) political you know and financial I (00:17:27) suppose you know we really had (00:17:29) everything that you could buy at that (00:17:31) point and of course people get a little (00:17:33) blaz as they go along take things for (00:17:36) granted and I imagine that's what (00:17:39) happened I I really have no real clue I (00:17:43) was in in Cape Town at the time I wanted (00:17:45) to have a house in every city in South (00:17:47) Africa so I had a bush farm and I had (00:17:49) the house in Toro the house in Natal the (00:17:52) house in platenburg but I wanted a house (00:17:53) in Cape Town sort of sort of like we (00:17:56) could move around to these different (00:17:58) houses and and I was in Cape Town with (00:18:00) my two sons and uh Elon and Kimbell and (00:18:03) I then I got this notice of that she (00:18:07) wants to be divorced so I agreed and we (00:18:09) actually because I was very connected at (00:18:11) that time with the judges and everybody (00:18:14) I I had them put the instead of in six (00:18:17) months or something I had them put the (00:18:19) divorce onto the role on the following (00:18:22) week so we were on the role in the (00:18:24) following week and officially divorced (00:18:26) the following (00:18:28) week one week well your ex-wife may she (00:18:31) wrote a (00:18:32) book yeah the book's rubbish in the book (00:18:35) she she you're abusive she said at one (00:18:39) point you pulled a knife on her and you (00:18:40) she had to run to her neighbor's house (00:18:41) to to run away from you and the knife (00:18:44) you know what I'm talking about though (00:18:45) no no um I uh I saw this first of all (00:18:50) let me say that we've been divorced for (00:18:52) 44 years and uh we've been to many (00:18:55) functions together we even lived in La (00:18:57) for 2 years um near her or rather not (00:19:01) near her but she was often in La so we (00:19:04) had lots of thanksgivings and stuff like (00:19:06) that together and nothing of the kind (00:19:08) was ever mentioned uh about 4 years ago (00:19:12) I would say she started coming up with (00:19:14) this kind of thing so it was mentioned (00:19:17) to me I I never bought her book and it (00:19:19) was mentioned to me by people and uh and (00:19:22) particularly one was a reference that (00:19:24) was made about my daughter saying (00:19:26) something so I sent a note to my (00:19:28) daughter what is this about and my (00:19:30) daughter said no it's just the media (00:19:33) that's doing this so then I wrote a (00:19:35) letter to my daughter I said please ask (00:19:38) your mother why she's saying these (00:19:40) things if she's saying these things (00:19:42) because I don't understand and uh why (00:19:45) she did it because we never had any (00:19:47) problems and um of that kind and I never (00:19:50) got a reply but my daughter replied (00:19:52) again and said Dad don't worry it's just (00:19:54) the media the thing is you know um I (00:19:57) don't know it really temp attempts to (00:20:00) trash me you know but it doesn't work it (00:20:02) hasn't worked and so I don't know what (00:20:04) the reason is I mean I have no idea you (00:20:07) know women or woman but um I did then do (00:20:11) something else I got a hold of a per my (00:20:14) partner in in well he wasn't a partner (00:20:16) in my engineering practice about halfway (00:20:19) through uh about mid 70s I started doing (00:20:23) property development in other words (00:20:25) where you buy land and you you you put (00:20:27) up the you point point all the people (00:20:29) and you you put it up you know the (00:20:30) building and all that so I had a partner (00:20:32) to do that with he lives in he's been (00:20:34) living in Atlanta for the last 40 years (00:20:37) and um for 5 years him and I did this (00:20:40) work uh before he uh five or six years (00:20:43) before he decided to take the money we (00:20:45) made and immigrate to America Irving (00:20:47) Jacobson was his name is his name and (00:20:50) recently or a while back I said to him (00:20:53) you know this is what may is saying (00:20:54) because he was with us every single day (00:20:57) May used to come to work with not to (00:20:59) work with me but she would come to my (00:21:01) office every day and so with with Irving (00:21:04) and me we would go out to lunch every (00:21:07) more or less nearly every day and and so (00:21:10) on so I asked Irving for his opinion so (00:21:12) he wrote a letter to my son my children (00:21:14) Elon kimsa and uh I haven't I can read (00:21:18) you the letter if if I have a moment but (00:21:21) he he said that in all the time that he (00:21:23) was with us which was in in our (00:21:25) professional capacity and also in our (00:21:27) social capacity cuz we often went out (00:21:29) together as a foram with his wife um he (00:21:32) never saw anything of anything abusive (00:21:36) anything um ugly of any kind whatsoever (00:21:40) I forget his exact words in fact he said (00:21:42) quite the opposite he said May wanted to (00:21:44) be with me in everything that I (00:21:47) did so that completely you know just (00:21:51) throws this whole thing out the window (00:21:53) and um I send it to my children and um (00:21:57) yeah I I can't explain woman you know (00:22:00) but it's totally untrue what she's (00:22:02) saying totally you know and this (00:22:04) Isaacson put it in this book of his it's (00:22:06) a junk book that it's not worth reading (00:22:08) not only the stuff on me the rest of the (00:22:10) book's full of faults and errors it's (00:22:12) not (00:22:13) accurate well yeah they say Hell hath no (00:22:16) fury like a woman (00:22:17) scorned I never I never scorned her you (00:22:20) know people said to me f enough people (00:22:23) said to me woman said to me um you know (00:22:27) why she's upset I said I don't know why (00:22:29) why she said she wanted you to fight for (00:22:32) her and not just grant her a onewe (00:22:34) divorce I said really I thought you (00:22:37) wanted a divor no you should have fought (00:22:39) and cried and and and fought for her and (00:22:42) everything you didn't do that and (00:22:44) instead you just went and got the (00:22:45) divorce I said oh well I haven't thought (00:22:47) of that (00:22:49) before it's (00:22:51) ridiculous so after the divorce Elon (00:22:54) lived with you initially uh yes she left (00:22:56) me with the two boys we had two comp (00:22:58) complete homes running with servants at (00:23:01) the time so we had two setups so (00:23:05) servants in one home thought we lived (00:23:06) there and the servants in the other Home (00:23:08) thought we live there so she went to our (00:23:10) other home which is about 400 mil away (00:23:12) in Nel and um she moved there when when (00:23:16) we split up she took my daughter and my (00:23:19) son stayed with me and then after few (00:23:22) months she came to me and said she (00:23:23) misses the boys and so I said well you (00:23:27) know uh against my family's wishes my (00:23:30) mother said I shouldn't do it but I also (00:23:31) felt that in the type of work I was (00:23:34) doing I you know always had to be all (00:23:36) over the country and I was often flying (00:23:38) private my own private Trin engine (00:23:40) airplane away to places with very little (00:23:42) contact with uh where I was where I was (00:23:45) from we didn't have cell phones in those (00:23:47) days and so um I would have to get other (00:23:50) people to take care of my sons and they (00:23:52) were quite small still you know 8 and s (00:23:54) n and 8 sort of thing so I I decided (00:23:58) yeah now let them rather going to be (00:23:59) with her so uh you know so I said okay (00:24:03) that's fine so they she went to they (00:24:05) went to stay with her and about 10 (00:24:07) months later although I saw them in the (00:24:08) holidays when the school holidays came (00:24:10) they came up again to me because I (00:24:12) bought a horse stud in uh near (00:24:15) Johannesburg and it was fun there and (00:24:18) they could ride their motorbikes that (00:24:19) I'd bought them and U and so on and um I (00:24:24) uh they came up all the time and then (00:24:25) Elon came about 10 months later I just (00:24:27) got a note on my desk saying Elon will (00:24:30) be on the overnight train from Durban (00:24:33) which is 400 mil away sending a (00:24:35) 9-year-old on a on a on a train (00:24:38) overnight not a very good idea but (00:24:39) anyway the next morning I went to the I (00:24:43) don't know who left me the note but I (00:24:44) went to the train station and there he (00:24:46) was and so he continued with me and um (00:24:50) contrary to what he has said I think you (00:24:53) know friends in the second book written (00:24:55) about Elon called risking it all the (00:24:58) author interviews a number of elon's (00:25:00) friends of that time and in this book uh (00:25:04) this author uh Michael (00:25:07) fmas uh says how the friends described (00:25:11) how happy Elon was and how happy they (00:25:13) all were because with the horses that we (00:25:16) had the motorbikes and all the things we (00:25:18) had on the you know the this uh Farm as (00:25:22) we called it um you know the boys would (00:25:25) come for weekends the friends his (00:25:26) friends would come for weekends and they (00:25:28) would have (00:25:29) really a very good time because there (00:25:31) was only me and nobody to tell them they (00:25:34) can't have what they want so they you (00:25:36) know it was burgers and steaks Galore (00:25:38) and you know you name on weekends for (00:25:41) that was the easiest way for me to deal (00:25:43) with them you (00:25:45) know well there was a story you told (00:25:47) when Elon was nine you took him to a (00:25:50) party and the host got up and threw (00:25:53) towels at everyone said we're all (00:25:54) getting naked we're all jumping in the (00:25:55) pool yes you know um uh I I got this (00:26:00) invitation from a very well-known South (00:26:02) South AFC Johannesburg businessman who (00:26:05) was very wealthy man and he he invited (00:26:09) he was sort of guy if he invited you you (00:26:11) couldn't like so I'm not coming but (00:26:12) anyway he invited me to a meal in a week (00:26:15) on a week in the evening and I said to (00:26:17) him look I've got my son to pick up from (00:26:19) school so Elon was alone with me at the (00:26:22) time saying before Kimble came and um (00:26:25) cuz Kimble came shortly after after Elon (00:26:27) um I said I have bring him I can't bring (00:26:29) anybody so I took El on to this party (00:26:32) and it was lavish as usual and the the (00:26:35) the in thing at the time was uh jacuzzi (00:26:39) and uh he he you know it was like a (00:26:41) craze that everybody had a had to have (00:26:43) one of these things and he'd had one put (00:26:45) into his giant house and um after the (00:26:50) meal he threw towels at everybody and (00:26:51) said okay it's jacuzzi time you see so (00:26:55) uh you know there were probably about 10 (00:26:58) 12 people people I'm not sure how many (00:26:59) including me and Elon and um I saw it (00:27:03) was what happened I I of course steered (00:27:06) Elon who was not interested at all and (00:27:08) took him to the this chap had a (00:27:09) fantastic Library you know real library (00:27:11) in his own home and with a sliding (00:27:14) ladder you know the works and um put (00:27:16) Elon in the library and uh you know (00:27:20) promptly then I went off to the uh (00:27:23) jacuzzi party and promply everyone men (00:27:25) and women you know stripped naked and (00:27:26) jumped into the this giant jacuzzi (00:27:29) and um yeah so it was kind of funny you (00:27:32) know if you know what I mean it was (00:27:34) unusual but it was it was it's difficult (00:27:37) to say you know if people are very (00:27:38) prudish but it was good fun there was (00:27:40) nothing ugly you know nothing ugly took (00:27:41) place so um it was a bit odd though for (00:27:45) the (00:27:47) time well when Elon was 10 he started (00:27:51) getting into (00:27:52) computers uh 11 and 10 years 10 11 10 (00:27:56) okay and about a year or two later he (00:28:00) actually made his first game called (00:28:02) Blaster that's right and he actually (00:28:04) sold it yes for $500 uh yeah actually um (00:28:09) in in today's money i' call say we sold (00:28:12) it for about we sold it for about we got (00:28:16) at the time what we got and what we (00:28:19) would it be worth today more like (00:28:22) $1,400 we would have got in today's (00:28:24) money so um you know they gave him a (00:28:29) good price for it I would say and uh (00:28:32) yeah no I he was into the early (00:28:34) computers like some of his friends but (00:28:36) Elon took it took them very seriously (00:28:38) like Atari Vic Commodore Vic 20 (00:28:43) Commodore you know that sort of thing (00:28:45) they they these little sort of playplay (00:28:47) computers came out and then um when he (00:28:50) was about when he was 11 in fact um he (00:28:54) Elon came to me he was tiny little (00:28:55) fellow he only grew taller later and and (00:28:58) he said to me he showed me an advert (00:29:00) he'd seen in the Sunday Times which is (00:29:02) the local Sunday (00:29:03) newspaper and it was a large advert and (00:29:06) it spoke about teaching people how to (00:29:09) use computers now I had done a course in (00:29:12) fortron and Cobalt programming on the (00:29:14) IBM (00:29:15) 360 shortly after I left University so I (00:29:19) was fortron and Cobalt certified by IBM (00:29:22) so I knew what it was we used Punch (00:29:24) Cards of course so anyway um the IBM of (00:29:28) course 360 was full entire house it's (00:29:31) such a big computer but at anyway the (00:29:34) new computer was coming out and by (00:29:38) IBM and this advert said that people (00:29:42) they are advertising a course that (00:29:44) they're going to be giving over a period (00:29:46) of probably 6 months or something at the (00:29:49) University of the vorr which was our (00:29:52) Premier University at the time um people (00:29:55) are coming from overseas England and (00:29:56) they're going to give this course it was (00:29:58) under the orices orices of our biggest (00:30:02) uh retailer at the time it's called the (00:30:04) hyperama like hypermarkets you know and (00:30:08) um and it was $1,500 R $1,500 ran the (00:30:12) dollar was the same at the time so it (00:30:14) was $1,500 which is in today's money you (00:30:17) know probably about $9,000 or something (00:30:20) if not more and uh so I said whoa you (00:30:23) know I don't know so you know said no he (00:30:26) really has to see this he has to go you (00:30:28) know I found them immediately said no no (00:30:30) children no they're not taking any (00:30:32) children he was only 11 so I pleaded (00:30:34) with him and I fortunately I was able to (00:30:36) turn to him and say sorry they don't (00:30:37) take children anyway he was very upset (00:30:40) and then another ad came out in which uh (00:30:42) they advertised an introductory lecture (00:30:45) for (00:30:46) $75 now that's $75 in (00:30:49) 1972 (00:30:51) 1982 so a lot of money you can say in (00:30:55) today's money anyway so it's $1,000 (00:30:58) let's say today's money he said can't he (00:31:00) go to this so I called them and they (00:31:02) said no and then eventually I pleaded (00:31:04) with him they said right he can come to (00:31:06) the introductory lecture uh but he has (00:31:08) to wear a jacket and tie and and that (00:31:11) was no problem and long pants he has to (00:31:13) look right and he he actually sit on the (00:31:15) side of this huge uh lecture hall and um (00:31:19) so on on the due date I took him El Kim (00:31:22) had already arrived and I took Elon to (00:31:25) the we took Elon to this uh lecture and (00:31:28) and um um we dropped him off it was a (00:31:31) 2hour lecture and after the 2 hours we (00:31:32) came back everybody came streaming out (00:31:35) and uh and but no Elon so we went I went (00:31:38) into the into the lecture Halls which I (00:31:40) used to know quite well obviously and (00:31:43) then I found Elon I look down in this (00:31:45) letol that sort of goes down and there (00:31:47) at the bottom was Elon with his jacket (00:31:49) off his white sleeves of his shirt (00:31:52) rolled up and his tie off talking to (00:31:56) some tall men down at the (00:31:59) I went down to the bottom and as I (00:32:00) approached them the the tallest one as I (00:32:03) recall with a beard and glasses and he (00:32:06) said turned to me and said this boy has (00:32:08) to get one of these (00:32:09) computers my first reaction as a South (00:32:11) African man was how much do they cost (00:32:16) you know and uh and um then the head of (00:32:20) the hyper arm was there because I knew (00:32:21) him because I'd been designing one of (00:32:23) the two of the hyper armas so he he said (00:32:25) to me Erol uh he was a British guy he (00:32:27) said to meol (00:32:28) don't worry it's very expensive but (00:32:30) we'll give you a discount so anyway we (00:32:32) bought this thing it cost (00:32:35) $7,800 I got a discount of (00:32:37) $400 and uh so it cost me about 74 (00:32:41) $7,400 was the IBM XTA with a mouse with (00:32:46) a printer with a PC keyboard the works (00:32:50) it was actually a a real you know PC and (00:32:55) on this thing he taught himself to (00:32:56) program it was do or or or Disk (00:32:59) Operating System so for anyone who (00:33:01) didn't know what it was you couldn't (00:33:03) really use it it it's not wasn't usable (00:33:05) to the average person you know but he (00:33:07) taught himself to program on this thing (00:33:09) and after a while he could really write (00:33:12) a program on anything I wanted so I (00:33:14) could describe a situation to him and he (00:33:16) would write up a program and um a while (00:33:19) after that he he did this he called me (00:33:21) to the screen and showed me this blastar (00:33:24) game and where something comes down and (00:33:27) you can direct like bullets at it and (00:33:29) things like that and you can shoot them (00:33:32) and then I said that's that's really (00:33:33) cool and you know the sort of thing you (00:33:35) get on a video video arcade uh later on (00:33:39) and so I sent it to PC Magazine and they (00:33:41) said can they they'd like to publish it (00:33:43) and um they uh would pay him for it and (00:33:46) so he received the equivalent of about (00:33:48) let's say $1,500 in today's money and um (00:33:52) yeah and I kept it for many years he (00:33:54) forg forgot all about it I actually sent (00:33:56) it to him all the the page from the from (00:33:59) the magazine I sent it to him about four (00:34:01) or five years ago saying do you remember (00:34:03) this and because I'd kept it myself all (00:34:05) the years he'd sort of forgotten about (00:34:07) it and uh and and that's what brought it (00:34:10) to the for so that people started seeing (00:34:11) this this program you know and um you (00:34:16) could actually use the program you could (00:34:17) put you could enter it into your (00:34:18) computer and you could use it yeah well (00:34:22) in 2021 Elon hosted Saturday Night Live (00:34:25) and he mentioned that he has Aspergers (00:34:27) which is is a type of autism yeah uh (00:34:30) were you aware of this at all and has he (00:34:32) actually been diagnosed with aspergers (00:34:35) or this is just a self diagnosis well (00:34:38) you know I don't know if if he had some (00:34:39) sort of diagnosis but as a a young boy (00:34:43) it's not only him it's me (00:34:45) and my brother couple of the people in (00:34:48) the family are a bit like that once we (00:34:50) focus on something it's difficult to get (00:34:52) our attention and so um we sort of cut (00:34:56) the world out he was very much like that (00:34:59) and um in when he was in grade two uh I (00:35:03) think he also called it grade two when (00:35:05) he was in grade two he was about eight (00:35:07) or something seven seven years or eight (00:35:09) years old um the uh the the Headmaster (00:35:13) of the school phone me and said he needs (00:35:14) to see me so I realized oh boy it's (00:35:16) about Elon Elon had this Knack of (00:35:18) telling older people who queried (00:35:21) anything he was doing cuz he would often (00:35:23) read books that were very thick and (00:35:24) adults might say to him you know what (00:35:26) are you reading that all don't you look (00:35:28) at the pictures or something then you'd (00:35:29) say to the adult well no of course not (00:35:32) stupid I read this book you know he was (00:35:35) I sort of discipline discipline him a (00:35:39) bit on that kind of thing anyway um I (00:35:43) thought oh my God he's told the teacher (00:35:45) the teacher's stupid or something so I (00:35:48) went to the school you know with (00:35:50) trepidation and when I went into the (00:35:53) headmaster's office there was this uh (00:35:55) older lady I think she was obviously the (00:35:57) teacher ringing her hands you know and (00:36:00) and and uh looking terribly unhappy and (00:36:04) the Headmaster was a very good man and I (00:36:08) sat down I said what what is the problem (00:36:10) and he said to me uh it was course (00:36:14) 19 what year would that have been about (00:36:16) 19 uh 7079 or somewhere there or (00:36:21) something that I mean they didn't mince (00:36:23) words in those days he they said to me (00:36:26) uh he said to me your son is [ __ ] we (00:36:29) think your son is (00:36:30) [ __ ] so I thought oh wow I was glad (00:36:33) he wasn't saying something else anyway (00:36:36) um of course I knew Elon wasn't [ __ ] (00:36:39) so I said well why why do you say that (00:36:41) and they said well and then the teacher (00:36:43) took over and she said well yesterday (00:36:46) again he sits and stares out of the (00:36:49) window while everybody's taking note in (00:36:51) the class the other kids taken out he (00:36:52) sits and stares out of the window a very (00:36:55) leafy suburb that we lived in and um (00:36:58) and and I and she said nothing she does (00:37:01) gets his attention and she actually went (00:37:03) up to him as she explained and she would (00:37:06) pushed him on the shoulder before he (00:37:08) jump around and and look at her and and (00:37:11) then he said she said what he asked him (00:37:13) why what are you doing and he said look (00:37:16) the trees are getting green or you know (00:37:18) all getting leaves or something to that (00:37:20) effect so I thought well that's a (00:37:22) reasonable I didn't see anything wrong (00:37:23) with that but but um they figured he's (00:37:27) there something wrong with him (00:37:28) and of course that ties in with a (00:37:30) certain amount of I suppose you could (00:37:31) call it a sort of autism um and uh you (00:37:36) know today for example with Elon even (00:37:39) today it's quite a handy thing it's very (00:37:41) difficult to actually upset Elon because (00:37:44) you can often say something to him which (00:37:45) is rude and it just bounces off him he (00:37:48) doesn't even listen he doesn't doesn't (00:37:49) penetrate you know it's a sort of Handy (00:37:52) trick to have anyway the thing is um (00:37:55) what I did was I I went back I said at (00:37:57) that meeting with the Headmaster I (00:37:59) wasn't sure what to say and then finally (00:38:01) we were all uh wondering what are we (00:38:03) going to do and then the Headmaster said (00:38:05) perhaps you can't hear (00:38:07) properly so we we we all jumped on that (00:38:09) I jumped on that oh yes yes I'll take (00:38:12) you for hearing test the next day which (00:38:14) I did and of course there's nothing (00:38:16) wrong with this hearing and I moved into (00:38:18) another school a private school uh that (00:38:22) was a government school I which was a (00:38:23) very good government school but I moved (00:38:24) him to a private school we never had any (00:38:26) more problems (00:38:28) but he is someone that would probably (00:38:32) qualify for a certain amount (00:38:34) of uh an inability to or rather the (00:38:39) other way around that once he gets (00:38:41) focused on something you don't easily (00:38:44) get him distracted if if you know what I (00:38:46) mean he he he will focus on that to the (00:38:49) point of cutting you out or anything (00:38:51) around him out and that's true I didn't (00:38:54) even know what Asbergers was when I (00:38:56) heard about this I looked it up and said (00:38:58) something about focusing intensely on a (00:39:00) subject or something like that well when (00:39:03) Elon was in high school there was a (00:39:05) situation where he got into an argument (00:39:07) with one of the kids and I guess the the (00:39:09) kid's father had just committed suicide (00:39:12) that's right and I guess Elon had called (00:39:14) him stupid or something of that sort and (00:39:16) the kid pushed him down some concrete (00:39:18) stairs and I guess him and the kid and (00:39:21) his friends ended up beating up Elon (00:39:22) pretty badly that's (00:39:24) right now was he hospitalized for uh (00:39:27) from (00:39:29) yes he was very severely injured um uh (00:39:32) it was only the little kid the little (00:39:34) kid was a tough little guy I suppose you (00:39:36) could say I would say tough but I mean (00:39:38) he wasn't a thin he was a stocky little (00:39:41) bloke a chap he um he was the only one (00:39:44) who (00:39:45) who took a log or something and saw it (00:39:48) hitting elon's head with it or something (00:39:51) and at the bottom cuz Elon was basically (00:39:54) knocked out from falling down these (00:39:56) concrete stairs and and um you know he (00:39:59) pushed Elon when Elon wasn't looking and (00:40:01) so Elon was in hospital for 10 days and (00:40:05) uh the thing is again Elon when this (00:40:09) kid's kid was obviously totally (00:40:12) traumatized about his father as a I only (00:40:15) heard this from the Headmaster of the (00:40:17) school and um the Headmaster told me the (00:40:20) kid was terribly traumatized and Elon (00:40:22) had said when it had been mentioned I (00:40:25) suppose at the school that your father (00:40:27) was stupid which is reasonable in under (00:40:31) certain circumstances to say but (00:40:32) certainly not under those circumstances (00:40:36) I mean his father was probably did make (00:40:38) shouldn't have done that but you know (00:40:41) anyway the thing is under the (00:40:42) circumstances I went to the police and (00:40:44) everything I wanted uh I wanted some (00:40:47) sort of Reckoning but when I saw the (00:40:49) situation and when I saw the little boy (00:40:51) that had done this who was who never (00:40:54) stopped weeping all the time I saw him I (00:40:57) realized there's nothing we can do here (00:40:59) and so I dropped it and I um decided to (00:41:03) move to another city I had to move to (00:41:05) another city uh Petoria we were in (00:41:07) Johannesburg or santon at that time so I (00:41:10) moved to another I bought a home in (00:41:11) another city kept the home in santon I (00:41:14) had to buy another home uh to take Elon (00:41:16) to a school like uh that would work for (00:41:19) him called Petoria boy high and after (00:41:21) that there were absolutely no problems (00:41:23) at all and the Headmaster of that school (00:41:25) when this bullying stuff came out wrote (00:41:27) a is saying there's no such thing um (00:41:29) they don't allow bullying at that school (00:41:31) but on the other hand boys teasing and (00:41:34) and fighting with each other that's (00:41:35) something totally different you know and (00:41:37) you'll never get that out of out of boys (00:41:41) so you know but actual bullying where a (00:41:43) big boy tackles a Hess little boy that I (00:41:47) haven't se that's (00:41:49) nonsense well the story gets a little (00:41:52) fuzzy when he gets out of the hospital (00:41:54) according to him he said that you (00:41:56) screamed at him for an hour you know he (00:41:58) said I had to stand for an hour as my (00:42:00) father yelled at me called me an idiot (00:42:02) and told me that I was just worthless no (00:42:05) no obviously that's not true that maybe (00:42:07) his interpretation or something no no no (00:42:10) no um obviously I'm his father you know (00:42:15) I'm concerned about him I'm concerned (00:42:17) about what happens to him in the future (00:42:19) what happens to him now uh when I see (00:42:22) the situation I'm not I'm not a coddler (00:42:26) I'm not going to coddle him I'm going to (00:42:28) say what have you what happened here he (00:42:30) tells me what happened I say you know I (00:42:32) have to teach him my job is to teach and (00:42:34) so I wouldn't have said to him he's an (00:42:37) idiot that's ridiculous I mean that's (00:42:39) absolutely stupid I would never have (00:42:41) done that but I would have said to him (00:42:42) you shouldn't have done what you did and (00:42:44) uh this is not right you have to you (00:42:47) have to be careful with with people you (00:42:50) can't you know in in today's world I can (00:42:53) imagine in today's world it's so rough (00:42:55) here in South Africa that uh you know my (00:42:58) lady friend here was attacked by a man (00:42:59) with a knife 4 days ago where we live (00:43:03) you know with a knife in her side this (00:43:04) is this is here just 4 days ago this is (00:43:07) a rough place and I said you know (00:43:09) sometimes you might say to somebody that (00:43:12) they're stupid or or swear at them or (00:43:14) raise your fot at them might just put a (00:43:16) knife in you you know so you know people (00:43:19) are you know uh with the breakdown of (00:43:24) sort of Law and Order in the world I (00:43:25) mean you have to be careful anyway the (00:43:27) point point is at the time I would (00:43:29) certainly not have done that I would (00:43:30) have been I was shocked of course and he (00:43:33) had 10 days of recuperation where we (00:43:35) visited him every day there wasn't a (00:43:37) possibility of saying things anything to (00:43:39) him in the beginning eventually when he (00:43:41) got home I would no doubt have said to (00:43:43) him look you have to be careful with (00:43:46) these kind of things that you're saying (00:43:47) you can't do that you know and oddly (00:43:50) enough even in America in the last few (00:43:52) years or since the beginning I've I've (00:43:54) cringed when Elon has called people (00:43:56) douchebags (00:43:58) you know I mean in this country uh if (00:44:01) you uh call somebody a (00:44:04) douchebag uh it's very very likely if (00:44:07) you to his face that he's going to plant (00:44:10) five fingers in your (00:44:13) nose you follow him me and you're not (00:44:16) going to look the same afterwards so (00:44:19) that's South Africa I don't know what it (00:44:21) is there and in this country that's (00:44:23) called retribution the police will walk (00:44:26) away from it because when you tell the (00:44:28) police this man called me a (00:44:30) douchebag or something like that you're (00:44:33) fully entitled to return that with a (00:44:35) punch in the nose and um so um yeah you (00:44:39) have to be careful what you say recently (00:44:42) Elon made another uh terrible thing to (00:44:44) say that he will not let anybody stop (00:44:47) the H1B V uh visas he will [ __ ] them in (00:44:51) the face what the hell you can't talk (00:44:53) like that who talks like that that's (00:44:56) crazy talk (00:44:58) so he's still a little childish I (00:45:00) remember that tweet he was actually (00:45:03) quoting a line that Tom Cruz said in (00:45:05) Tropic Thunder oh all right then fair (00:45:07) enough it's it's like one of these kind (00:45:09) of geeky movie references basically okay (00:45:12) all right fine yeah Tom Cruz was like (00:45:14) yelling like I'll [ __ ] you in your (00:45:16) [ __ ] face and something like that so (00:45:17) Elon was quoting that but see come about (00:45:21) you know I don't think (00:45:22) that's language that should be used by a (00:45:25) person who's even in the remote level of (00:45:28) authority so I don't agree with that and (00:45:31) U so and if you do that kind of thing (00:45:35) and you do that to people's face you (00:45:37) must expect the (00:45:39) consequences you must expect the (00:45:42) consequences well yeah I remember uh (00:45:44) watching an interview with your other (00:45:46) son Kimble and he was saying that around (00:45:48) this time in South Africa it was (00:45:50) extremely dangerous he was saying how (00:45:52) some of the the the black groups were (00:45:54) sort of at war with each other where he (00:45:56) was like I think on a train or a bus and (00:45:58) one just walked up to another and just (00:46:00) stabbed him I think in the head to the (00:46:02) point where blood just squirted all over (00:46:04) the floor and he said he still remembers (00:46:06) how sticky the blood was as he was (00:46:08) trying to walk off the train so it was (00:46:10) you know when you talk about how violent (00:46:11) it was I don't think people really (00:46:13) realize how violent it really was in (00:46:16) South Africa during that era yes yes you (00:46:18) know there are 11 different groups of (00:46:20) blacks people in South Africa and so (00:46:22) when South Africa was under a partti and (00:46:26) they were starting to and during the (00:46:28) time that Elon and Kimble would have (00:46:29) been young young men youths at that time (00:46:33) these groups were were at odds with each (00:46:35) other they didn't all agree on uh you (00:46:38) know they weren't one voice against (00:46:40) let's say the white uh government they (00:46:42) were they were at odds with each other (00:46:45) you know a lot I mean they they had been (00:46:47) for centuries uh foes so for example the (00:46:51) Zulus and the kosas are are like what (00:46:54) you call Total foes they they're not to (00:46:57) the day I mean uh if you go to the (00:46:59) parties in this country the political (00:47:01) parties the MK is all Zulus and thec is (00:47:05) all kusas and so it goes you know so (00:47:08) kusas are the biggest group and so (00:47:10) you've got these different groups and (00:47:12) that would have been I wouldn't call it (00:47:14) normal but we did have a lot of that (00:47:16) kind of thing you know as I say 4 days (00:47:18) ago a black man put a knife in the side (00:47:21) of my the lady in my life she's 37 as (00:47:25) she got into her car a 10-in knife was (00:47:27) pressed into her side demanding her (00:47:30) Goods her things she actually fought (00:47:32) back which was really stupid and and it (00:47:34) was severely cut to know she's got her (00:47:37) arm in bandages at the moment but they (00:47:39) managed to get away with all those (00:47:41) things so anyway there were two of them (00:47:44) you I mean around that time it seemed (00:47:47) like the world was really against the (00:47:50) apartheid in South Africa I remember (00:47:52) there was a song called Sun City that (00:47:54) came out you know what I'm talking about (00:47:56) right where it was just a bunch of big (00:47:59) artists that basically were saying we're (00:48:01) not going to play at this big uh I guess (00:48:04) uh Event Center called Sun City in South (00:48:06) Africa because of the aparti and that's (00:48:09) when I first started noticing how you (00:48:11) know what was really going on over there (00:48:13) like from your point of view did you (00:48:14) feel like AAR tide was going to actually (00:48:16) survive or was it kind of on its way out (00:48:18) during this time well yes your first (00:48:20) point uh I went to Sun City a lot and uh (00:48:24) at least every month an international (00:48:26) star came (00:48:27) so I can tell you I saw all of them (00:48:30) nearly all of them Frank cetra an (00:48:32) Margaret Lisa Manelli um uh Queen Rod (00:48:37) Stewart uh Julio glaus I mean just lists (00:48:40) goes on and on there didn't seem to be (00:48:42) any hesitation to come and perform its (00:48:44) Sun City so I'm not sure about that uh (00:48:47) some people may have objected I don't (00:48:49) know did you feel I mean at the point (00:48:51) where there's now hit songs about (00:48:54) apartheid in South Africa did you feel (00:48:56) like a partti was going to survive for (00:48:59) the next few decades okay in 1976 we had (00:49:03) riots in South Africa which would later (00:49:05) termed the soo riots where African (00:49:08) children in their thousands apparently (00:49:10) or (00:49:11) hundreds uh refused to be taught said (00:49:14) they don't want to be taught in the (00:49:16) Africans language the Dutch language (00:49:18) they wanted to be taught in English and (00:49:21) these rights resulted in injuries and (00:49:24) one I think child was killed Hector (00:49:26) Peters and the day is actually named (00:49:29) after him now the the day annually to (00:49:31) this day anyway um um I was interviewed (00:49:35) by the CBS came to South Africa at that (00:49:37) time and wanted to interview all the (00:49:40) people that were uh involved in running (00:49:43) South Africa and um one of the things (00:49:46) they did is they went to see the Youth (00:49:48) of the Petoria black community called (00:49:51) mamaloi and the the youth leader there (00:49:54) was (00:49:55) Andrew um Andrew um masuka and (00:50:00) he referred CBS to me and asked CBS to (00:50:05) to come and see me CBS interviewed the (00:50:08) ministers and the Prime Minister and the (00:50:10) head of the Brotherhood of africanas and (00:50:12) all sort of thing but CBS interviewed me (00:50:14) in my home in (00:50:16) 1976 and they asked me the same question (00:50:19) do you think that South Africa will (00:50:21) continue and I said the way I see it we (00:50:24) will continue like this at least for 25 (00:50:26) years which would have put us at about (00:50:28) the year 2000 I remember saying that to (00:50:30) them and um they were they were you know (00:50:34) they were critical of my my my (00:50:36) observation of course they were right I (00:50:38) was not right and um um then uh I also (00:50:43) said you know we have gold until another (00:50:45) 25 years you know I was really not that (00:50:48) old myself I was still a youth you might (00:50:50) say so I wasn't really too knowledgeable (00:50:53) but anyway the thing is it all really (00:50:55) came down much sooner than that and um (00:50:59) but as the 80s progressed in 1985 the (00:51:03) Prime Minister the president he become (00:51:05) the president they changed the name from (00:51:08) prime minister to president who I know I (00:51:09) knew him quite well the president um PW (00:51:13) BHA and he he made a speech in which he (00:51:16) um said that South Africa will never (00:51:18) have a black government ever and this (00:51:20) was in response to much pleading from (00:51:23) the International Community and the (00:51:25) result of that was massive sanctions (00:51:28) against South Africa and so from 1985 (00:51:31) onwards the situation in South Africa (00:51:33) became extremely difficult for people (00:51:36) like me who were doing property (00:51:37) development so any form of speculation (00:51:41) in South Africa started to Just Fall to (00:51:44) Pieces people who were who had (00:51:46) previously worked in jobs where you know (00:51:51) was based on future earnings and all (00:51:53) that sort of stuff you know were just (00:51:55) leaving the country they just had to (00:51:57) there was no future there was no hope in (00:51:58) my own case my work came to a dead dead (00:52:01) stop white people were started moving to (00:52:04) trailer parks proper white you know (00:52:06) decent white people to go and live in (00:52:08) tents and trailer Parx cuz they just (00:52:09) couldn't survive they couldn't live in (00:52:12) their homes anymore that to rent their (00:52:13) homes out and so on and um I remember in (00:52:17) my case I had a very large motor a (00:52:21) propeller driven plane Twi engine plane (00:52:23) called a cesna golden eagle and I (00:52:26) decided I'll try and sell it I couldn't (00:52:28) sell it in South Africa so I set off to (00:52:30) sell it in England because I was told if (00:52:31) I can get it there if it has fully icing (00:52:34) they'll buy it and I set off and halfway (00:52:36) there I uh landed at Lake tanganica and (00:52:40) I met a pal uh not a Palestinian a (00:52:43) Panamanian company that was building (00:52:45) roads for the Zambian government or an (00:52:48) Airfield and roads I landed on that (00:52:50) airfield on the lake itself and they saw (00:52:53) the airplane they said what are you (00:52:54) doing I said I'm going to sell it they (00:52:56) said they'll buy it from me and at the (00:52:59) same price and I was amazed and I said (00:53:01) okay well great and um and they paid me (00:53:04) the same price and then the next day or (00:53:06) so they said to me if I would like to (00:53:09) give them half the money back they'll (00:53:12) introduce me to uh they'll help me with (00:53:15) a supply of gemstones in this case (00:53:18) emeralds and um and with those I was (00:53:21) able to uh get into that business and I (00:53:24) managed to turn it into a uh an income (00:53:27) producing uh business you (00:53:30) know for the next 5 years because you I (00:53:34) guess that you would co-owned or owned (00:53:36) shares in three Zambian uh Emerald mines (00:53:39) well look they had a mine and the (00:53:41) arrangement was that they would they (00:53:43) started off by giving me about 118 cut (00:53:46) emeralds these are the best emeralds in (00:53:48) the world they are the Zambian emeralds (00:53:50) the best color you can get sorry I'm (00:53:52) just doing some sales sales here sales (00:53:56) now they're the best emeralds you can (00:53:57) get and uh the Colombian ones are a (00:54:00) little yellow and (00:54:01) the other places are a little this and a (00:54:04) little that but the Zambian ones are a (00:54:05) deep green and um yeah so um I the (00:54:10) arrangement was they would provide me (00:54:12) with uh rough uh on a regular basis (00:54:15) after that as they as in when they (00:54:18) nothing nothing furb it's all a (00:54:19) handshake and uh you know that's how it (00:54:22) was in Africa really and uh paper Works (00:54:25) didn't mean much and and I became very (00:54:27) friendly I'm still very friendly with (00:54:28) him the the main man unfortunately (00:54:30) passed away a couple years ago but I'm (00:54:32) still friendly with his with his wife (00:54:34) she's in 8s now and um yeah so they sent (00:54:37) me rough on a you know offen on and uh (00:54:42) then I would uh I employed a cutter in (00:54:45) Johannesburg at the diamond uh we cut a (00:54:47) lot of diamonds in Johannesburg in the (00:54:49) main street so I went to see a cutter (00:54:51) there and I started employing him to cut (00:54:53) the stones for me and start selling them (00:54:56) on my own like that you know and so I (00:54:58) did this for quite a long time and I was (00:55:01) able to really I suppose make four times (00:55:04) as much as I would have by just selling (00:55:07) the plane you (00:55:07) [Music] (00:55:08) know well this is where the story gets a (00:55:10) little fuzzy because Elon said that you (00:55:13) never owned any Emerald (00:55:15) mines well you know that sort of story (00:55:18) came out somehow because people were (00:55:20) saying he didn't make himself he didn't (00:55:23) uh he didn't uh get success on his own (00:55:26) in America he had this big start and (00:55:30) that's not true so the the start what we (00:55:34) got out of the emerals I was a (00:55:36) wholesaler now I would sell it seven (00:55:39) times what it cost you know let's say um (00:55:43) what the base cost would be of the ore (00:55:47) so my markup was quite small the but it (00:55:51) suited me because I would sell to the (00:55:53) upend Jewelers the upend jewers would (00:55:55) sell it anything from 20 to 25 times (00:55:58) what they paid me you follow so um you (00:56:03) know I took a stone that I sold to Tiffy (00:56:05) in New York there were two I sold to (00:56:07) them Elon and Kim I called took them (00:56:09) took the stones there first but anyway (00:56:11) uh I sold one for $800 to tiffy's they (00:56:14) said and the other one was 12200 they (00:56:16) said I should come we should come back (00:56:17) and see them mounted a few days later I (00:56:19) went back and they showed me the $800 (00:56:20) Stone mounted and it was in the cabinet (00:56:23) for sale and I've often asked the (00:56:25) average person doesn't quite get it but (00:56:27) Jewelers will give you the right answer (00:56:29) I said how much do you think they had (00:56:31) they wanted for it well they wanted (00:56:33) $21,500 for it (00:56:36) $21,500 so that's that's different I my (00:56:41) uh my income from the emeralds was uh (00:56:45) sustained us it just sustained us uh (00:56:47) through difficult times and it wasn't uh (00:56:50) like we you know we high-end Jewelers or (00:56:54) anything like that we it's like anybody (00:56:56) who has a Diamond claim somewhere you (00:56:58) know that doesn't mean they're just (00:57:00) finding diamonds every day might find (00:57:02) one a year Well Elon graduates and he (00:57:07) first goes to the University of Petoria (00:57:09) but then he moves to (00:57:12) Canada yes no no he went to the (00:57:14) University of Petoria I suggested he go (00:57:16) to the university of Cape Town which (00:57:18) seemed more glamorous at the time and he (00:57:20) said to me no I took him to the (00:57:22) University of Cape toown he had to look (00:57:23) at it he said no he may as well go to (00:57:25) the university which is bicycling (00:57:27) distance from our home in Petoria at the (00:57:30) time and so um he started the Petoria (00:57:33) University and the year went all right (00:57:36) but towards the middle of that year one (00:57:39) day we were due to go out for a meal it (00:57:41) was a holiday uh Republic Day and we (00:57:43) were due to go out for lunch with people (00:57:47) and I said where Elon they said Kimel (00:57:49) said no he's in bed I was 11:00 or so I (00:57:51) went up and there he was lying in bed (00:57:53) you know and so I pulled him on his big (00:57:55) toes I pulled him out bed and he sat on (00:57:57) the edge of the bed and he looked (00:57:59) terribly dejected you know and I said to (00:58:02) him it's not working for you here uh is (00:58:06) it you know the university and (00:58:07) everything he was marks were good and (00:58:09) everything he was studying economics and (00:58:12) um I said to him as I leaned against his (00:58:14) desk and I said to him things are not (00:58:16) working out for you are they you're not (00:58:18) feeling good he said no they're not (00:58:19) working out for me and then a sort of (00:58:22) something jumped into my head just like (00:58:24) that something jumped into my head and I (00:58:26) said would you like to go and study in (00:58:28) the United States you see and and he (00:58:33) just changed instantly yes you didn't (00:58:36) even hesitate you know yes and uh and so (00:58:39) I said right let's do that so suddenly (00:58:42) he was energized and I was in rotary and (00:58:46) I the one of the uh um United States (00:58:49) consulate people was the commercial (00:58:52) Affairs at AA and I said to him I (00:58:55) arranged for El to see him and get books (00:58:58) on what universities he could go to in (00:59:00) America the next day and off he went (00:59:03) that was on the 31st of May and um he (00:59:06) came back with these all these places we (00:59:08) saw that the most reasonable University (00:59:10) in America was the University of Texas (00:59:12) so we sort of focused on that one and um (00:59:16) and so uh on the 11th of June 11 days (00:59:19) later Elon left on a return ticket that (00:59:22) I got for him and with some cash and we (00:59:25) started him off uh with our with May's (00:59:28) uncle and Aunt in um (00:59:31) Montreal and uh we gave him various (00:59:34) friends addresses and places and gave (00:59:37) him a sort of five-stop ticket so he (00:59:39) could go to different places and meet (00:59:42) the people and off he went now he'd been (00:59:44) overseas with me at least by that time (00:59:47) oh he'd been overseas with me at least (00:59:50) uh oh I'd say six seven eight times so (00:59:55) he'd been to America with me me before (00:59:57) and he'd been right through America he'd (00:59:59) been to about 18 states with me in (01:00:00) America before been right through Europe (01:00:02) he'd seen most of the capital cities of (01:00:04) the World by the time he was probably 15 (01:00:06) 125 12 to 15 so he wasn't new to (01:00:10) traveling and so if he went and I was (01:00:12) happy with him I knew that he was quite (01:00:15) capable and um so off he went and um he (01:00:18) he phoned me we made an arrangement to (01:00:20) phone every Thursday evening uh at a (01:00:23) certain time we didn't have cell phones (01:00:25) we didn't have it was all booked calls (01:00:28) so if you wanted to make a call you had (01:00:29) to sort of book it you know reverse (01:00:32) charges call and um so this happened and (01:00:35) then he told me he's decided to um he (01:00:38) likes Canada which is where he stopped (01:00:40) in the first place he's going to visit (01:00:42) other relatives and so forth and he's (01:00:45) thinking that he might not start in the (01:00:47) new year which was September he might (01:00:50) just keep on having a look around first (01:00:53) so he spent the first year looking (01:00:56) around and actually got a job with the (01:00:58) Bank of Nova Scotia at one point in (01:01:00) Toronto and um you know I went through (01:01:03) regularly to see him and and so on you (01:01:06) know took the other kids or took Kimel (01:01:07) with me and uh yeah a year later he then (01:01:11) uh enrolled at um Queens University in (01:01:15) in Kingston in uh Canada for an (01:01:19) economics (01:01:20) degree right but then he transferred to (01:01:22) the University of Pennsylvania yes after (01:01:25) a short time he I I got a note from him (01:01:28) he he was contact me quite regularly he (01:01:30) said that and I went over quite (01:01:32) regularly taking what cash we would (01:01:34) allow we weren't allowed to take money (01:01:35) out of South Africa it was against the (01:01:38) law so we what I would do is I would (01:01:40) take someone with me and get their (01:01:42) maximum business allowance and we take (01:01:45) this money my business allowance the (01:01:46) other person's business allowance and (01:01:48) then I'd be able to give them that cash (01:01:50) to sort of get by on there and um to (01:01:53) help them with and um yeah and then let (01:01:56) me know that Wharton I'd never heard of (01:01:59) Wharton at the time but he told me it's (01:02:01) it's a very big important school of law (01:02:05) business and um they they've given him a (01:02:09) offered him a um a (01:02:11) scholarship so I said oh well that's (01:02:13) cool so off he went you know and the (01:02:15) next thing he was at Wharton so the next (01:02:16) place I went to visit him at was (01:02:18) actually at Wharton (01:02:20) yeah well as he's going to Pennsylvania (01:02:23) around that time Mandela is getting out (01:02:25) of prison (01:02:27) and South Africa completely changes no (01:02:31) yes yes yes yes that's (01:02:33) right9 no no sorry you quantron you (01:02:36) quanton car on yeah yeah so 1990 Mandela (01:02:40) gets out of prison and then he gets (01:02:42) elected as the first black president of (01:02:44) South Africa and like how massive of a (01:02:48) change was this in South Africa well it (01:02:50) was it was very harsh you know um the uh (01:02:55) the white people (01:02:57) you know didn't have much faith in in in (01:03:01) in black people running the country you (01:03:03) know and we'd also seen you know what (01:03:05) happened to Ria you know which is today (01:03:08) a completely defunct destroyed country (01:03:10) that doesn't exist it's nothing doesn't (01:03:13) it's nothing it's not an existing (01:03:14) country has no functioning it's not a (01:03:16) functioning country that's Ria it's the (01:03:18) next country up and so people the white (01:03:22) people here were terrified of what this (01:03:24) meant and um you know (01:03:27) um the beginning we we actually through (01:03:30) Mandela keeping many of the existing um (01:03:35) structure you know government structures (01:03:37) in place things weren't that bad but (01:03:40) people had no faith no no no faith in (01:03:43) things getting better you know and um (01:03:47) and so uh people were very very worried (01:03:50) and everybody May and her whole family (01:03:53) left the country everybody in her family (01:03:55) left the country (01:03:56) you know may uh and and and her whole (01:03:59) family they all left the country my (01:04:01) partner had left the country long (01:04:02) earlier much earlier before but nearly (01:04:04) everybody we knew who could leave left (01:04:06) the country and so um yeah it was not (01:04:10) good it was not great and um I who had (01:04:13) been a Consulting engineer uh and and (01:04:15) had been Consulting engineer on (01:04:16) pipelines and transmission lines up to (01:04:19) 188,000 vaults I was a Consulting (01:04:21) engineer on Sun City I'd been a (01:04:23) Consulting engineer on the biggest (01:04:25) shopping center to I was actually one of (01:04:27) the owners of it for owners of it in the (01:04:29) country um I I was reduced to fixing uh (01:04:33) Axel and drive shafts and and and (01:04:37) greasing cars and stuff that was my job (01:04:39) I I to I started greasing Motorcar (01:04:42) wheels and and fixing drive shafts and (01:04:46) fixing boots rubber boots on drive (01:04:48) shafts and stuff like that that's what I (01:04:50) did me and another black man well I (01:04:54) remember one of the things that Mandela (01:04:55) said when he first took power was that (01:04:58) he didn't want black people to take (01:04:59) revenge against the white people of (01:05:01) South Africa he wanted a society where (01:05:04) everyone coexisted was that actually the (01:05:06) case though did he actually say that I (01:05:08) mean yeah he said that well you look I I (01:05:11) wouldn't have that would have been very (01:05:13) bad for the black people you know uh the (01:05:15) white people are the white people are (01:05:17) not [ __ ] in this country you know the (01:05:19) white men white men in this country are (01:05:22) serious if you understand what I mean we (01:05:25) wouldn't have wanted something like that (01:05:26) to happen it would have been a a (01:05:29) terrible thing to happen you know it's (01:05:30) not like we would all run away you know (01:05:32) we would it was 450 white men and women (01:05:35) who defeated 10,000 Zulus at the Battle (01:05:37) of blood rer and left 6,000 of them dead (01:05:41) you know so and not one injury to a (01:05:43) white person so no no the the white (01:05:45) people that's a good thing it didn't (01:05:47) because it would have been stupid and (01:05:49) but it was very nice thing for Mandela (01:05:51) to to try and say to people on on the (01:05:54) other hand um they did start going into (01:05:57) gangs of you know blacks they start (01:06:00) going into white people's homes and just (01:06:02) shooting them in their beds and you know (01:06:05) here and there you know they came into (01:06:06) my home on one occasion seven or eight (01:06:09) of them and uh you know I dispatched (01:06:11) three of them to the next World and then (01:06:15) uh the rest ran away but they fired 52 (01:06:18) rounds I want to I want to go deeply (01:06:21) into the story here since you they F 52 (01:06:24) rounds at me I F two (01:06:27) rounds okay so so let's go ahead and and (01:06:29) have the setting so this was at night (01:06:31) you're you're at home asleep in your (01:06:33) house no no I had a home the home on the (01:06:36) horse stud that we had I still kept it (01:06:39) all the years and um I was renting at (01:06:43) Art and I was living in Petoria by that (01:06:46) stage I had a new child she was 6 years (01:06:48) old Alexandra she's she now lives in (01:06:51) Texas in Austin and um I went over with (01:06:55) her which was 6 years old to see how the (01:06:58) house looked because a big house and I (01:07:00) painted it out you know with some sort (01:07:02) of white paint and stuff and um I went (01:07:05) to see how the painters were getting on (01:07:06) it was 5:00 or so in the evening got (01:07:09) there the painters were about leaving (01:07:10) and we had a look at the house we lucky (01:07:11) put on luckily put on all the lights and (01:07:15) um and then the painters left and my (01:07:17) daughter said she we used to live there (01:07:19) for a while and my daughter said she'd (01:07:20) like to have a bath in the main bathroom (01:07:22) so I ran a bath for her and and then I (01:07:25) heard heard some noise in the lounge (01:07:27) area and I went up to the lounge this (01:07:29) was probably about 6 6:00 in the evening (01:07:31) in about March so dusk not night time (01:07:35) not daytime and uh there were a bunch of (01:07:38) uh black men in the lounge and U my (01:07:41) initial thought was I had an electric (01:07:43) fence around the property and my initial (01:07:45) thought was how on Earth did they get (01:07:47) through the electric fence cuz i' built (01:07:49) that fence myself and then uh I thought (01:07:52) maybe they want to rent so I said can I (01:07:55) help you (01:07:56) and the one in the lead one who had a (01:07:58) jacket and tie on actually raised his (01:08:01) arm his left arm towards me and thought (01:08:04) he wanted to shake hands or something (01:08:06) but he immediately fired a gun at me uh (01:08:09) you know the Sparks I just saw the (01:08:10) sparks my way I must have I could have (01:08:12) moved I could have I don't know what I (01:08:14) did but it didn't hit me it hit a glass (01:08:17) door behind me and chattered the door (01:08:19) and then I you realized I suppose and (01:08:22) then all happening very quickly I ran (01:08:24) back down to the bathroom in the main (01:08:26) bedroom where i' left we always carried (01:08:28) a weapon in fact I still carry a weapon (01:08:31) and it's a magnum so I carried a 357 (01:08:35) Magnum and I went to the bathroom where (01:08:38) i' put it on a shelf when I ran the bath (01:08:40) away from my daughter grabbed a magnum (01:08:43) and um as they came down the passage uh (01:08:46) they were coming down the passage I (01:08:48) stood at the entrance the main bedroom (01:08:52) entrance to the passage and um I took (01:08:54) the one in front out (01:08:56) uh you know with a bullet through the (01:08:58) head and and that bullet actually went (01:09:00) into the one behind him as well and then (01:09:03) they they ran back and then um a while (01:09:07) later when we were like in a standoff (01:09:10) situation uh I looked again and there (01:09:12) was another one on his knees waiting for (01:09:14) me to look out and as I looked out we (01:09:17) both shot at the same time I shot him in (01:09:19) the groin I saw the bullet go into his (01:09:21) grin because I was right behind the (01:09:22) bullet and um he fired at me and it (01:09:25) would have hit me in the middle of my uh (01:09:27) chest but it actually went into the (01:09:30) frame aluminum frame of a sliding door (01:09:34) uh that that was between me and him or (01:09:36) or you know a folding door and um and so (01:09:39) I would have been killed but anyway he (01:09:41) was uh he he disappeared we were able to (01:09:44) they' fired 52 shots the police (01:09:47) collected all the shells that they fired (01:09:50) I fired from a revolver no no shells I (01:09:53) only fired two shots and um and um um (01:09:57) yeah the house was a wreck but my (01:09:59) daughter and I were able to escape (01:10:00) through a window in the main bedroom (01:10:03) that had been completely shot out so we (01:10:05) were able to jump through that into the (01:10:07) garden and Escape uh a picture window (01:10:10) out into the garden and escape and uh (01:10:13) yeah so that was that was (01:10:16) that so you ended up killing three (01:10:19) people well yeah I'm not proud of it I (01:10:21) mean I didn't intend to you know they (01:10:23) they try to kill me so you know okay (01:10:26) they wound up dead three of (01:10:28) them yeah I mean I've told the story (01:10:30) before I had a home invasion happened to (01:10:32) me uh many years ago and I thought I'd (01:10:36) killed the home Invader he ended up (01:10:38) Surviving but but I remember you know (01:10:41) the thought process I had during that (01:10:42) time with the adrenaline the first thing (01:10:44) I thought was good riddance cuz he I (01:10:46) felt he was trying to kill me so I I did (01:10:49) I did what I had to do so I felt I felt (01:10:52) no guilt whatsoever about the he end up (01:10:55) yeah he end up surving but did you feel (01:10:56) any guilt at all or no well you know I (01:10:58) do I mean not guilt but I mean I I look (01:11:01) back and I think you know I was very sad (01:11:04) when I saw them the police going through (01:11:06) the pockets of these deceased men and (01:11:10) taking out their little notes and things (01:11:12) and and you know I felt well you know (01:11:15) this is these were people you know it's (01:11:16) just terrible and um so I wasn't proud (01:11:18) of it but what could I do it was it was (01:11:20) me or them you know that my daughter's (01:11:22) head would be hanging from a taxi at (01:11:24) this moment you know dangling from a (01:11:26) taxi if uh if I'd let them get their way (01:11:29) my my six-year-old's daughter's head (01:11:31) would be dangling from a taxi so mirror (01:11:34) you know no no so uh cuz they eat them (01:11:37) and they use the children as medicine (01:11:39) you know what do you call it medicine (01:11:41) wait wait wait wait wait wait they (01:11:43) actually eat children and use their body (01:11:46) parts as medicine yes they they they (01:11:49) take the body parts and then they well (01:11:51) we know this I mean it's not it's not me (01:11:53) I mean it's I would say everybody you (01:11:55) know maybe they things are improving but (01:11:57) that's that's it's called MTI MTI then (01:12:01) they make MTI out of the people's bodies (01:12:04) you know and then they believe that if (01:12:06) you have this Moody thing you know you (01:12:08) you'll have good luck and all that sort (01:12:10) of stuff you know it's not it's not new (01:12:12) I think it's been in in human existence (01:12:15) among groups of people for a long time (01:12:17) that type of thing you know I mean we're (01:12:19) not talking about Oxford University (01:12:21) professors here you know um yeah I (01:12:25) actually looked it up as you're as (01:12:26) you're talking yeah the mewy murders uh (01:12:29) from South Africa it's like a witch (01:12:30) doctor kind of thing yes yes oh so my (01:12:34) daughter they would have probably just (01:12:35) killed me but they would have used her (01:12:37) for Moody you know her body parts so (01:12:41) yeah so that's not nice to think of but (01:12:43) anyway um yeah um you know just one of (01:12:47) those things I mean you know um as it (01:12:50) happened I had Stables on that property (01:12:53) 12 Stables which would had been turned (01:12:55) into rooms for by a local restaurant for (01:12:58) their workers and all those workers came (01:13:01) up and stood guard around my house all (01:13:02) black eyes came up and stood G guard (01:13:05) around my place after the event because (01:13:08) they said in case they should come back (01:13:10) for Revenge you know and so you know all (01:13:13) the black guys not all bad you know they (01:13:16) some of them very nice and so they (01:13:18) helped me you know afterwards in fact (01:13:20) the first people to go into the house (01:13:22) and try and see what was going on after (01:13:24) all the shooting that I had were were (01:13:27) black Gods black private um police uh we (01:13:31) had a lot of private police in those (01:13:32) days we still have um you know like ADT (01:13:36) and so on they went in they were the (01:13:38) first to go in with shotguns to see what (01:13:40) was going on when the actual police (01:13:42) arrived they put on full body armor (01:13:44) before they went into the house to see (01:13:46) what was going on you know I mean the (01:13:49) house was really wrecked I mean 52 shots (01:13:52) there was no furniture but the amount of (01:13:54) blood in the house (01:13:56) was absolutely enormous it was as though (01:13:58) somebody had emptied you know 44 gallon (01:14:01) drum of blood into the lounge it was it (01:14:04) was just so much blood everywhere and as (01:14:06) my little girl said when she had to walk (01:14:08) I had to walk her over or carry her over (01:14:10) it she said so much blood so much blood (01:14:14) you know (01:14:16) yeah yeah well I'm glad you got through (01:14:18) that could have ended very uh very (01:14:20) differently yeah yeah (01:14:24) yeah well in 1992 you were 46 years old (01:14:27) at the time you got married for the (01:14:30) second time yes to 25-year-old Heidi yes (01:14:35) hayda ha Marie ha how do you pronounce (01:14:39) pronounce your last name it's a German (01:14:40) ha Marie there a flower Marie it's a (01:14:43) flower in Germany hay Marie (01:14:47) got okay why did you decide to get (01:14:49) remarried at that point why did I decid (01:14:52) to get married I was lonely I was in (01:14:55) fact I'd set up a big yacht at the time (01:14:57) I'd bought a 48t uh yacht a really great (01:15:00) yacht and uh sailing yacht that I was (01:15:03) going to sail to Canada to join the kids (01:15:05) CU they had all moved to America and um (01:15:08) then I met her and uh you know one thing (01:15:11) led to another and I decided it was more (01:15:14) fun being with her than going off uh (01:15:17) sailing to another country you know so I (01:15:20) put an end to the sailing and uh and not (01:15:23) not totally I mean I did go on again (01:15:24) later but uh yeah and I'm married and we (01:15:27) had a child Alexandre and she's she's as (01:15:32) she describes herself the favorite Child (01:15:34) uh of course they're all favorites but (01:15:36) um a beautiful girl an extremely (01:15:38) beautiful girl and she just left here (01:15:41) she was here until a week ago and she's (01:15:43) at the inauguration yesterday of uh (01:15:46) Donald Trump yeah with Elon at the (01:15:50) inauguration well your second wife she (01:15:54) had a child already when you guys got (01:15:56) married she had three children three (01:15:58) children okay and you had how many (01:16:00) children at the time yourself well I had (01:16:02) Elon kiml and (01:16:04) tuska so three yes and they they they (01:16:07) were all in America by that stage right (01:16:10) it's kind of The Brady Bunch almost (01:16:12) right no not that (01:16:15) many okay so one of her children who was (01:16:19) four years old at the time uh was named (01:16:22) Jenna that's right (01:16:26) now later on in (01:16:28) life you know when Jenna was an adult I (01:16:31) guess uh you were helping her uh pay her (01:16:33) bills and so forth no no hater Marie and (01:16:37) I or haters for short we had a good (01:16:40) marriage for quite a long time but she (01:16:43) was much younger than me and um I don't (01:16:46) know um it's you know like with all (01:16:49) relationships it's I've become quite (01:16:53) impressed when somebody tells me that (01:16:54) their relationship lasted 3 years or (01:16:56) something you know but these days but at (01:16:59) any rate um our relationship you know (01:17:02) didn't last very long we were married in (01:17:07) 92 and we divorced in '94 2 years (01:17:11) later and um so she went off she married (01:17:15) another (01:17:16) man you know with a new divorce and (01:17:19) marriage laws it was possible to jump (01:17:21) around you know as opposed to the times (01:17:23) of mine your parents anyway (01:17:26) so she married another man I went off (01:17:30) back to sailing did all sorts of things (01:17:33) and then I met ha again in about (01:17:38) 99 or saw met up with her again although (01:17:41) we had the child we had little girl so I (01:17:44) would see the occasionally when I was (01:17:46) back in South Africa go and see see my (01:17:48) daughter Alexandra you know who was with (01:17:50) the mother you know her mother and um (01:17:53) and Ali had grown quite a bit and then (01:17:55) we started seeing each other in in in (01:17:58) about uh ' 98 I think 98 we started (01:18:01) seeing each other again she divorced (01:18:03) from that second husband that she that (01:18:04) third husband that she had her first (01:18:06) husband was killed in the car crash and (01:18:08) then um we we decided to get married (01:18:11) again so we got married again and um and (01:18:14) then Rose was born in 99 so Rose is now (01:18:18) 25 and um at that time her her other (01:18:22) children that she had had been placed (01:18:25) with uh because she was a woman on her (01:18:27) own and had um didn't have the means and (01:18:31) the man she married was you know a very (01:18:34) I'm sure a very good policeman but they (01:18:36) don't earn a lot of money or anything (01:18:37) like that and so the children were (01:18:39) placed in a sort of foster care her (01:18:42) three children you know and um so we got (01:18:45) married uh uh and then after we got (01:18:48) married and Rose was born she asked me (01:18:51) if we can't bring the children back her (01:18:53) other children out of foster care (01:18:56) back to join us so I said I'll do what I (01:18:59) can and so one by one we by going to (01:19:02) courts and making applications and so on (01:19:05) I got all three children back her three (01:19:07) children that's two boys and a girl Jana (01:19:09) is one of the was a girl and it wasn't (01:19:12) shortly after that in 2002 two years (01:19:15) after Rose was born that uh Elon I'd (01:19:19) been going regularly to the states and (01:19:21) then Elon invited us said we must come (01:19:23) over and meet his new son um that NADA (01:19:27) that he had had with his first wife who (01:19:30) had be it was 3 months old so we went (01:19:31) over and I we took everybody the the (01:19:34) rose Alexandra and ha's three other (01:19:37) children five there were seven of us (01:19:40) went to uh America and on the way when (01:19:42) we landed at Raleigh Raleigh the airline (01:19:45) came to us and said they need to speak (01:19:47) to us and we went and spoke to them they (01:19:49) told us that elon's son had died uh the (01:19:52) night before and that they we need to (01:19:55) they needed to tell us it was terrible (01:19:57) you know anyway we continued and we (01:19:59) arrived in LA and everybody was (01:20:01) distraught I mean it was terrible time (01:20:04) and um you know we we was Elon at that (01:20:07) point had been renting the top the the (01:20:08) penthouse of the Beverly Wilshire which (01:20:11) is fabulous place to stay a huge could (01:20:15) take about four families so we all began (01:20:17) living in the top floor of the Beverly (01:20:19) walshire for a while and then um uh when (01:20:24) we were due to leave (01:20:25) Elon and Kimble came to us and said look (01:20:27) we don't want you to leave we want you (01:20:29) to stay we don't want you to go back to (01:20:30) South Africa it's too dangerous which it (01:20:33) was and um so after much talking we we (01:20:37) agreed to stay with all the children and (01:20:40) uh and so forth and so I started working (01:20:45) for uh I I'd get to the point in a (01:20:47) minute I started working for SpaceX I (01:20:49) was one of the first nine or so working (01:20:51) for SpaceX I didn't they didn't pay me I (01:20:53) just went to do the help to to fix (01:20:55) things and so forth and um that that (01:20:58) also took me to the rocket site in um in (01:21:01) Texas a lot and I was away a lot and as (01:21:04) you probably know in America if you like (01:21:06) your job you start it you go as early as (01:21:08) possible in the morning and you come (01:21:09) back at 10:00 at night and you do that 7 (01:21:11) days a week you know so that's if you (01:21:13) like your job they all seem to like (01:21:15) their job terribly and so my wife was my (01:21:18) wife had Marie was very upset and she (01:21:20) said if we she has to go on like this (01:21:22) she's going to kill herself so (01:21:25) eventually cut long story short we (01:21:27) decided to return to South Africa so we (01:21:30) took all the children and including Yana (01:21:33) the girl you're talking about and we all (01:21:35) went back to South Africa we got (01:21:37) temporary passports we didn't let the (01:21:39) boys know and we got in the plane and we (01:21:41) we flew back we left everything behind (01:21:43) our home you know in first we lived in (01:21:46) Beverly Hills haded didn't like that so (01:21:49) we moved to (01:21:50) Malibu we had two acres in Malibu she (01:21:52) didn't like that so we (01:21:55) you know this South African scene is (01:21:57) more friendly you know people are more (01:22:00) um sort of at home with each other and (01:22:03) America people are sort of Workaholics (01:22:05) as we we found you know but at any rate (01:22:07) which is good for America of course and (01:22:10) um and so we we came back and um we (01:22:13) weren't back 6 months when I I I thought (01:22:19) I was doing the right thing by my wife (01:22:21) Elon and them refused to speak to us I (01:22:22) said we done we're done we're never (01:22:24) going to speak to them again because of (01:22:26) what we did cuz we left the homes the (01:22:28) cars everything a boat that I had (01:22:30) everything behind a big five level boat (01:22:34) in marid Del re anyway so um hay and I (01:22:39) decided it's not working so so I could (01:22:42) see things were going bad like they had (01:22:44) the first time so I I sued her for a (01:22:46) divorce in in 2004 and So within 2 years (01:22:51) again I was divorced again and she was (01:22:53) on her own I gave her everything we had (01:22:55) here I still had a few houses here so I (01:22:57) gave them to her all of them and a (01:23:01) couple of houses and couple of stands (01:23:03) maybe three houses and couple of housing (01:23:05) stands and cash and so on and I just (01:23:07) bought a yacht and I set off again on (01:23:10) ocean sailing which I did a lot of cross (01:23:13) the oceans you know sail to Europe from (01:23:16) here cross the Atlantic a few times and (01:23:19) so on and um I never saw her or the (01:23:22) children again uh until (01:23:25) about (01:23:27) 2014 um oh well of course I saw her my (01:23:30) ex-wife if I came back to South Africa (01:23:32) cuz I go see my daughters but that's (01:23:34) another story about about two or three (01:23:37) years after we got back Elon and Kimble (01:23:39) said look surely you want Ali Alexandra (01:23:43) and Rose to be here and not be in (01:23:46) America where they safer so we all (01:23:49) agreed that Ali and and Alexandra and (01:23:51) Rose should go back so Alexander and (01:23:53) Rose went back to school and then Allie (01:23:56) went on to University in Colorado and (01:23:58) Rose continued at school in um in (01:24:01) Colorado with the boys which is sort of (01:24:04) a family agreement we made as for ha's (01:24:07) other children they were growing and I (01:24:09) never really saw much of them then in (01:24:11) about 2014 I got a call from um an email (01:24:16) from Jana to say that she's having a (01:24:19) very hard time she was now about 28 29 (01:24:23) years old and she'd already had a child (01:24:27) a little girl of six or something and (01:24:29) she can't make it she's just unable to (01:24:31) live and so forth and the people at the (01:24:36) social welfare had taken her child away (01:24:38) and she was living with a man in a store (01:24:40) room and so I went to see her found her (01:24:44) and and then saw the terrible (01:24:46) circumstances and I said well look you (01:24:48) know I'm going to give you money for (01:24:49) food and toiletries every day I'll give (01:24:52) it to you every day or every week which (01:24:55) I started doing uh enough for food and (01:24:58) toiletries at first and then that grew (01:25:00) into a little bit more and a little bit (01:25:02) more So eventually they could live (01:25:04) better and then I got them both a a (01:25:07) secondhand car which uh they could use (01:25:12) and uh this went on for quite a while (01:25:13) and then in about (01:25:15) 2016 I got a call from Yana I never saw (01:25:17) her because we used to send money (01:25:19) through the bank you know occasionally (01:25:21) might see her but I mostly didn't go and (01:25:23) see her and then I got this uh um call (01:25:28) in 2016 or so from Yana to say that um (01:25:32) her boyfriend is throwing her out she's (01:25:34) on the street and all her clothes are (01:25:35) out on the street and all that sort of (01:25:37) thing and uh she don't know what to do (01:25:41) so I said well I was living oh by the (01:25:42) way Rose had come back because she (01:25:44) wanted to do it was very complicated she (01:25:46) wanted to do her high schooling she'd (01:25:48) finished her primary schooling in (01:25:49) Colorado but she wanted to do her high (01:25:51) schooling in South Africa near her (01:25:53) mother now I had no her mother lived in (01:25:56) a town where near very close to where I (01:25:58) am now but I had no home I had no home (01:26:01) in South Africa so Rose I had to then (01:26:05) find a home so that Rose could come back (01:26:07) so in about 2013 I did have this home (01:26:10) which I rented near where her mother (01:26:12) lived and I put Rose in a local school (01:26:14) so that's when Yana contacted me Yana (01:26:17) said she's struggling I let tell me what (01:26:19) was happening when they threw her out on (01:26:21) the street and then I said she better (01:26:23) come here if you still got the vehicle (01:26:24) yeah she's got the vehicle I said come (01:26:26) here so she brought the vehicle she (01:26:28) arrived here and she spent the next 3 (01:26:30) weeks with us and we with rose and (01:26:32) myself and we uh got on really well (01:26:35) she'd grown up into you know a great (01:26:37) looking woman and um we got on extremely (01:26:41) well and um you know and then after a (01:26:44) while she left uh us to because the (01:26:47) boyfriend started crying and coming and (01:26:50) lying on our doorstep and so forth (01:26:52) crying through the night and all sorts (01:26:54) of things like that so she decided (01:26:56) she'll give this bloke another chance (01:26:58) and so she left and then two months (01:27:01) later roughly 2 months later she (01:27:03) contacted me to say she's pregnant so I (01:27:05) said well oh can't be me she said well (01:27:08) it is you because she she hasn't been (01:27:10) with anybody else she went back with (01:27:11) this chat but she's they're just friends (01:27:15) so I said well you know all right well (01:27:16) then I wasn't too happy with that so I (01:27:18) send blood samples at that time he could (01:27:21) only do it like that to Canada and uh (01:27:24) cried gentically and and they uh (01:27:27) confirmed in Canada that the child was (01:27:30) 99.9% mine so he's now seven he's nearly (01:27:34) eight he's probably the most smartest (01:27:37) boy I've ever known he's smarter than (01:27:38) Elon and Kimble were at that age and I'm (01:27:41) very happy with him and they uh you know (01:27:44) they live here with me so uh they've got (01:27:47) a little house she's got a little house (01:27:48) of her own but she most of the time (01:27:49) she's here and uh so we have two (01:27:51) children now actually we have a little (01:27:52) girl as well (01:27:54) well yeah there's a 42 age there's a 42 (01:27:58) year age difference between right they (01:28:01) say age is only a number I don't know (01:28:04) they say I don't look 78 (01:28:06) anyway I think I look 108 well well and (01:28:10) a lot of people they have a problem with (01:28:12) this because when she was four years old (01:28:14) you were her stepfather and then you go (01:28:17) on to have children with her well yes (01:28:19) you know I was her stepfather but she (01:28:21) had three stepfathers afterwards you (01:28:23) know so I was a one time stepfather she (01:28:25) had three stepfathers subsequently so (01:28:28) you know I don't I'm not the current but (01:28:30) I mean you know I have no all I say show (01:28:32) me the rules I'd like to see the rules (01:28:35) uh please show me the rules I want to (01:28:37) see the rules for Love and War and then (01:28:39) if you show me then I'll apologize if (01:28:41) you can't show me the rules then don't (01:28:43) talk to me show me the (01:28:46) rules well what does her mother think of (01:28:49) you having two kids with her daughter (01:28:52) well odly enough her mother and I had (01:28:53) been separated for so so long and her (01:28:55) mother was was married again you know to (01:28:58) another chap who unfortunately was (01:29:00) killed in a car accident last year I (01:29:02) mean the drama just doesn't end but at (01:29:04) any rate at the time she was married she (01:29:06) had no interest at all and uh you know (01:29:10) um there was no problem I think uh my (01:29:13) two boys said H Kimel said oh it's (01:29:15) nothing it happens I mean he had a child (01:29:17) with one of the girls who worked in his (01:29:19) restaurants I mean you know while he was (01:29:21) married so the these kind of things (01:29:22) happen you know and um (01:29:25) and I think the people who were most (01:29:28) sort of surprised were my two daughters (01:29:31) Ellie and Rose because they were they (01:29:33) they known Yana a little bit as a sort (01:29:35) of sister if if you know what I mean so (01:29:38) but that kind of thing is well way long (01:29:40) gone with us you know that nobody sees (01:29:43) it like that anymore you know I mean (01:29:45) we've just spent Christmas with the two (01:29:47) daughters Ellie and Rose and Jana and (01:29:50) everybody had came out from Texas now (01:29:52) just the last couple of weeks you know (01:29:54) two two or 3 weeks ago we had Christmas (01:29:57) all together you know no no it's not a (01:29:59) problem at all and the mother haa she's (01:30:02) she spends he the little my little (01:30:05) fellow goes and spends whenever she (01:30:08) whenever she can get him she he takes (01:30:10) she takes him you know to her place and (01:30:13) he goes there and that's his Omar and he (01:30:16) his his Omar as we call it his his what (01:30:19) do you call it in your country it's Omar (01:30:21) grandmother and and so so um yeah so no (01:30:27) no there's no trouble at all nothing (01:30:29) nothing at all we all had Christmas (01:30:31) together how would you compare your (01:30:33) situation with someone like Woody Allen (01:30:36) who ended up marrying his adopted (01:30:39) step-daughter at one point well you know (01:30:41) no rules in Love and War you know no (01:30:43) rules in Love and War I I have a friend (01:30:45) here who is one of the this little town (01:30:48) is full of quite interesting people it's (01:30:51) a a lot of sort of wealthy people seem (01:30:54) to retire in this particular seaside (01:30:56) resort that I'm in and um and there was (01:30:59) this one Chap and he was married for 30 (01:31:01) years to this very beautiful woman that (01:31:04) everybody used to was I mean everybody (01:31:06) amazed with her beautiful red hair and (01:31:09) everything I don't better not name it (01:31:10) put any names and then last year or (01:31:13) something he wound up having an affair (01:31:16) with a woman of 20 and and they have a (01:31:19) and she was pregnant and and now he's (01:31:21) left his his wife and he's living with a (01:31:24) 20-year-old in in Cape Town and he's a (01:31:28) friend you know so so we all like you (01:31:30) know everybody's likeo you know woo you (01:31:34) know what can you do I don't know you (01:31:37) know the way I understand it if you can (01:31:39) you can be married apparently happily (01:31:41) married for 20 years or something walk (01:31:44) up to your wife and say listen I want (01:31:45) out she can't sue you she can't do (01:31:47) anything she's going to say yes if your (01:31:49) wife comes to you and says I'm done I (01:31:51) want out what are you going to do (01:31:55) so how many kids do you have right now (01:31:58) I've got seven seven kids seven yeah (01:32:01) okay but didn't you say that there was (01:32:03) about five other women who claimed they (01:32:05) have your child as well oh yeah yeah now (01:32:07) I've had I've had about six women over (01:32:10) the last 20 years claim that I'm the (01:32:14) father of their child one went so far as (01:32:17) to go to all the newspapers in America (01:32:20) and claim that she was I was her (01:32:23) daughter one of of them claimed she was (01:32:25) my daughter that one I had to have DNA (01:32:27) testing done to prove that it wasn't the (01:32:29) case uh but I have other people and they (01:32:32) you know I explain they show me tell me (01:32:35) the timelines and I explain to them (01:32:37) that's not possible you know there's the (01:32:38) timelines are not not possible and so (01:32:42) what do you do about it there's nothing (01:32:43) you can do about it I mean you know um I (01:32:46) you know it's difficult it's difficult (01:32:48) one but no there are no other kids that (01:32:51) I know of but if there was if somebody (01:32:54) came to me and said you know remember me (01:32:57) we met and we went out for a while or (01:32:59) something to that effect and we we made (01:33:02) it together a bit or something like that (01:33:03) and I actually have this child and this (01:33:05) is who the child is man I would grasp (01:33:08) that child with everything that I've got (01:33:10) you know I mean I would take that child (01:33:12) I'd say listen lady you can leave leave (01:33:15) the child here you can (01:33:17) [Laughter] (01:33:19) go well in 1995 Elon moves to California (01:33:24) to attend Stanford University although (01:33:26) he never actually went to any of the (01:33:28) classes there and around that time he (01:33:31) co-founded a company called zip 2 yes (01:33:35) with his brother Kimble now did you give (01:33:40) some of the seed money for this company (01:33:42) well what happened was they asked me (01:33:45) what money I can give them and um South (01:33:48) Africa as I told you earlier in 1994 (01:33:50) when thec took over you know let me just (01:33:54) say at the moment in South Africa we (01:33:55) don't have a single government (01:33:56) Department that functions we we have (01:33:59) partially functioning government in this (01:34:01) country even to this day nothing really (01:34:03) functions so for example for about the (01:34:06) last 18 months no one could get a (01:34:08) passport here it was almost impossible (01:34:10) to get the home Affairs doesn't work and (01:34:12) so the banks started issuing passports (01:34:14) here with the with the approval of the (01:34:16) central government I mean there's no (01:34:18) functioning government Department in (01:34:20) this country let's face it it's no good (01:34:22) tending you you know uh things aren't (01:34:25) what nowhere near what they should be in (01:34:27) this country but at any rate where was I (01:34:29) now um back in '94 when the ANC took (01:34:32) over I mean you know the first thing (01:34:35) that happened I was a city councilor for (01:34:37) 10 years in one of the most beautiful (01:34:38) buildings I had my office in in the in (01:34:40) the country in probably in the world uh (01:34:43) in the first year they burnt it down to (01:34:45) the (01:34:45) ground you know this huge magnificent (01:34:49) structure was burnt to the ground in the (01:34:51) first year in '95 anyway that's typical (01:34:55) you know anyway so yeah so Elon wanted (01:34:58) to start a business he said he he was (01:35:01) going to S it he thinks he should take (01:35:02) advantage of the dot of course I knew (01:35:04) nothing about Dot and I we didn't have (01:35:07) internet or anything in ' 95 here and um (01:35:11) so I said to him look I can I sled the (01:35:15) 48t yacht I said I can sell the yacht I (01:35:19) slay the bush Farm I said I can sell a (01:35:20) bush Farm but I'm not going to get (01:35:23) anything like the value I'm going to get (01:35:25) like a third or quarter of the value in (01:35:27) fact the yacht cost me 400,000 and I (01:35:30) sold it for (01:35:32) 105,000 and the bush Farm was worth (01:35:35) about 8 800,000 at the time today it (01:35:38) would be worth 8 million but I sold it (01:35:42) for 234,000 as I recall and with that (01:35:46) money I was able to send it to them and (01:35:48) to you weren't allowed to send money out (01:35:49) of the country I mean that was one of my (01:35:52) friends tried that he got eight years in (01:35:53) prison (01:35:54) and for which he served four you know I (01:35:57) mean a chartered accountant sent to (01:35:59) prison for four years Jewish guy eight (01:36:02) years but he came out after four years (01:36:05) and um um so what I was told is that if (01:36:09) you take money to this certain also as (01:36:12) it happened Jewish people that own this (01:36:14) certain franchise and you give it to (01:36:17) them they send the money somehow through (01:36:19) Israel or something to that effect and (01:36:21) then they take a commission and then you (01:36:23) can send this money to the your children (01:36:26) so that's what I did so I went to them (01:36:27) and I said look I I need to send this (01:36:29) money to them and then you don't know (01:36:32) what happens to that money but I would (01:36:34) contact them and say did you get the (01:36:35) money did you get the money so what they (01:36:37) took off on the money is about a quarter (01:36:40) they they took about a quarter of the (01:36:41) money and the exchange rate at the time (01:36:43) was not great so you know that I (01:36:47) probably wound up sending them about (01:36:50) $445,000 of which they probably got (01:36:52) about 30 something ,000 something like (01:36:55) that but then I also went over there and (01:36:57) I would take a business allowance so I'd (01:37:00) give them that as well you see and then (01:37:02) I bought them a call when I was there so (01:37:04) they had a call for zip (01:37:06) to well yeah according to reports you (01:37:09) gave Elon $28,000 to help start zip 2 (01:37:12) but Elon said that you never gave him (01:37:14) anything no I did yeah I did give them (01:37:17) that I I where the $28,000 comes from I (01:37:20) don't know but it by my Reckoning it was (01:37:23) more like based on what the amount was (01:37:25) that they took off I would think it more (01:37:27) like (01:37:28) $32,000 but then I'm not sure because I (01:37:30) had no way of of checking and when I (01:37:33) would ask them what money they received (01:37:36) they were they were too busy to like (01:37:38) tell me but um no no I definitely sent (01:37:42) them money Kimble said to me without (01:37:44) that money they could not have lasted (01:37:47) the 6 months that they did uh because it (01:37:50) was food and rent money and Kimble said (01:37:52) they would never have been able to (01:37:54) get through it without that money so why (01:37:56) Elon says that I don't know I have no (01:38:00) idea well zip 2 gets acquired by compact (01:38:03) for $37 million plus shock options of (01:38:08) 200 (01:38:08) million right so Elon had 7% of the (01:38:12) company so his share was $22 million yes (01:38:17) that's (01:38:18) right did he you know with you helping (01:38:22) to invest in the company early on did he (01:38:24) give you some of the profits or just a (01:38:25) thank you uh they send me (01:38:28) $200,000 oh that's nice (01:38:32) yeah okay so Elon takes the money from (01:38:36) zip 2 and then he co-founds the original (01:38:40) x.com which in 2000 merges with (01:38:45) confinity to form PayPal so then PayPal (01:38:49) gets acquired by eBay yeah for $1.5 (01:38:53) billion (01:38:55) yes and with Elon being one of the big (01:38:58) shareholders the biggest shareholder (01:39:00) actually he gets $176 million after this (01:39:05) acquisition well yes you know around (01:39:07) about when they sold Z two I went there (01:39:11) and it was interesting because I never (01:39:13) thought they'd make any success with it (01:39:15) I thought it was just you know waste (01:39:17) waste my money went as a waste I thought (01:39:20) to help them I I didn't expect anything (01:39:22) and then I was friendly with the uh um (01:39:26) a American Air Force liaison officer in (01:39:29) South Africa for the American Embassy (01:39:32) and then he was a very nice Chap and he (01:39:34) he came and said you know with his (01:39:36) American draw he said to me do you know (01:39:39) that company that elon's got it's worth (01:39:41) $52 (01:39:42) million this was zip two I said what $52 (01:39:47) million are you crazy what are you (01:39:48) talking about he said yes and um you (01:39:52) know even then we didn't really have a (01:39:54) fun a really functioning internet in (01:39:55) South Africa anyway so I shot over I (01:39:58) went over there I wouldn't say shot over (01:39:59) there I went over there a little while (01:40:01) later few weeks later trying to find out (01:40:03) what's going on and then I discovered it (01:40:05) was actually well much much more than (01:40:07) $52 million but um yeah um at the time (01:40:12) after when I was there Elon said to me (01:40:15) how much do you does it cost you to cash (01:40:17) a check so I said to him well I'm not (01:40:19) sure but I think it costs round about (01:40:24) 2 R50 that's our currency you know he (01:40:27) said yes it's same here it's about $1.75 (01:40:30) or something to write a check in America (01:40:33) you see so I said yeah and I and then he (01:40:35) said and this I said well I think some (01:40:37) of those other things you're talking (01:40:38) about cost as much as 10 R and he said (01:40:40) yes he had cost as much as $7 and he (01:40:43) said but if you do these things through (01:40:45) the internet then these transactions (01:40:47) would cost a fraction of a (01:40:49) cent that was what he was saying so I (01:40:52) said I said yes so he said he's bought (01:40:54) this um this x.com for $600,000 paid (01:40:58) $600,000 for the domain which the (01:41:00) original guy bought for (01:41:02) $39 and um Wanted a million for it but (01:41:05) he got 600 and Elon was going to use (01:41:07) this x.com as the name of the bank so (01:41:10) that by that stage I sort of realized I (01:41:13) saw the computer thing you could just (01:41:14) press X and then you'd get into your (01:41:16) you'd get straight into your into X you (01:41:19) know just have don't have to have (01:41:20) anything more you just type X and uh as (01:41:23) he and then he said he's going to start (01:41:25) this electronic bank and you know the (01:41:28) next thing one thing led to another and (01:41:30) then it became PayPal and as you say (01:41:32) they sold it to uh to eBay um I Su it (01:41:35) for $1.8 (01:41:37) billion um and Elon got about 22 and 12 (01:41:40) Elon Kimel got 12 and so forth you know (01:41:43) out of (01:41:45) it right so now Elon is worth $176 (01:41:50) million yeah and he he takes 100 million (01:41:53) and puts it into (01:41:56) SpaceX well yes it wasn't so much that (01:42:00) after during the during Basics uh um pay (01:42:05) uh PayPal's existence um of course (01:42:09) PayPal today more than 60% of all (01:42:11) transactions on the internet go through (01:42:13) PayPal you know it's it's absolutely (01:42:15) amazing it's worth more than eBay so um (01:42:19) anyway so he had a ra with Peter teal (01:42:22) and those guys uh (01:42:24) they thought Elon was too bombastic Elon (01:42:27) figured he could take he could take (01:42:29) PayPal to much higher much higher he (01:42:33) could take it into the Realms you know (01:42:35) of you know8 10 billion dollars but they (01:42:40) were they were always like at him at his (01:42:42) throat saying we're happy with what (01:42:43) we've got and so forth anyway they sort (01:42:46) of as you probably know they had a board (01:42:47) meeting and he was asked to the CEO so (01:42:50) he then had some time on his own and he (01:42:53) moved to an apartment South of San (01:42:57) Francisco and he started learning to fly (01:43:00) pilot learn got his pilot's license and (01:43:02) so forth and he didn't quite know what (01:43:04) to do with himself or I wouldn't say (01:43:06) that putting it a bit strongly but he (01:43:07) wanted something to do so he read about (01:43:10) Robert zub's rocket societ Mars Society (01:43:15) you know the Mars society and he joined (01:43:17) the Mars society and he was he was (01:43:19) really enthralled by the Mars Society uh (01:43:23) and their their plans and how they had (01:43:25) people living in the desert outside um (01:43:29) San Francisco you know pretending to be (01:43:31) on Mars and trying to imagine how they (01:43:33) would live and all that sort of stuff if (01:43:35) they were on Mars and Elon was very (01:43:38) excited by this so much so that he gave (01:43:40) them $100,000 deposit U um gift to the (01:43:45) mar Society you know and um and then he (01:43:49) decided he's going to build his own (01:43:50) rocket oh he's he's going to buy a (01:43:52) rocket from the Russians and he's going (01:43:54) to launch it and I think you know the (01:43:56) story and then he that that turned out (01:43:58) bad and then he decided well he's going (01:44:01) to build his own rocket so he started (01:44:03) actually sort of uh what do you call it (01:44:05) when you pinch other people's employees (01:44:08) or something he started looking for (01:44:10) people who working in the space industry (01:44:12) and suggesting to them that they come (01:44:13) and work for him instead you know at the (01:44:16) various agencies around the country and (01:44:18) he managed to get quite a few of them (01:44:19) one from Germany couple from you know (01:44:22) the jet propulsion lab and so forth and (01:44:24) they came over and started working and (01:44:27) uh he put this money to work I was one (01:44:29) of the first workers there as I said (01:44:31) earlier and uh we we bought this (01:44:33) somewhat dilapidated (01:44:35) Warehouse big though and in in elak (01:44:37) gundo south of LA and um the lamps were (01:44:41) all hanging out of the ceiling and the (01:44:44) ceiling boards were all hanging out and (01:44:46) there was water damage and God knows (01:44:47) what but anyway we set about fixing this (01:44:49) place up until eventually it had an (01:44:51) enameled floor white enameled floor (01:44:53) floor so much so that they made a movie (01:44:55) called Iron Man in there but at any rate (01:44:58) um uh he started building these things (01:45:01) and as you pointed out it got to the (01:45:03) point by the fourth launch that he was (01:45:06) going to be he's going to lose $100 (01:45:08) million the last he had because he put (01:45:10) other money into Tesla an electric car (01:45:13) startup and he was really going to be (01:45:16) without any funds at all and the fourth (01:45:18) lunch Launch the third launch was almost (01:45:20) a success I saw what was wrong with it I (01:45:23) immediately told him what was wrong with (01:45:24) it I think they listened to me uh you (01:45:27) know uh it started spinning and because (01:45:30) I have a lot of experience with aircraft (01:45:32) the the fuel was was being thrown to the (01:45:34) sides it was not reaching the the U exit (01:45:37) pipes and and so it was fuel stared you (01:45:40) need to put baffles all the planes like (01:45:42) the boeings they all have baffles so (01:45:44) when they turn from one side to the (01:45:46) other the fuel doesn't all run to one (01:45:47) side or to the other side if you're know (01:45:49) what I mean and so um the fourth launch (01:45:52) was made and it was (01:45:53) massive success it was 5 Seconds true in (01:45:57) other words it was only 5 Seconds of Arc (01:46:00) out of out of orbit out of the orbit (01:46:03) they wanted which is ridiculously small (01:46:06) and um you know it was a major (01:46:09) success well he puts 100 million into (01:46:12) SpaceX and then he puts 6 million into (01:46:17) Tesla and he also helped create Solar (01:46:21) City so essentially all the money he (01:46:24) made from the sale of PayPal went into (01:46:25) other companies and like you said he was (01:46:27) essentially (01:46:28) broke I mean was (01:46:31) that elon's mentality like his whole (01:46:33) life he didn't really care about money (01:46:35) or you know growing in you know using (01:46:39) compounded interest to kind of have a (01:46:41) huge pile of money yes yes yes you see (01:46:45) uh Elon and Kimble and tosa they grew up (01:46:48) with me um from a very early age as I (01:46:51) said spoke to you earlier about they (01:46:53) only knew that they lived in a very fine (01:46:56) home in water CL where all by the time (01:46:59) they were eight or nine years 7 8 n (01:47:01) years old I had given up Mercedes-Benz (01:47:03) cars I had moved on to Rolls-Royce cars (01:47:07) so they only rode in Rolls-Royce cars if (01:47:10) you if you understand they they knew (01:47:11) that if you wanted to go somewhere you (01:47:13) got into a twin engined airplane that (01:47:15) belonged to you and you flew there and (01:47:19) then you landed on your air strip and (01:47:21) you went to your Lodge if if you (01:47:24) understand they weren't like other kids (01:47:26) and um you know they'd been to as I said (01:47:29) every they learned to ski in Europe when (01:47:32) they was still 10 or under 10 years of (01:47:36) age you know so they lived what I would (01:47:39) call A Life That's not the life I led as (01:47:42) a child I I but I never had a I never (01:47:45) even had a bed until up to the age of 10 (01:47:48) never mind a bedroom I never had a bed I (01:47:51) slept on a on a couch until I was 10 (01:47:54) years old my parents were too poor we (01:47:56) lived in two rooms in a boarding house (01:47:58) in the Immigrant section I I mean you (01:48:01) know we weren't poor poor people were (01:48:03) Rich comp to us so um no um I never had (01:48:08) anything like that so when you start (01:48:11) like I did you do get money and you (01:48:13) start to think well I should keep this (01:48:15) and spend it as slowly as possible but (01:48:17) when you grow up like Elon and Kimel (01:48:20) particularly Elon with also with his s (01:48:22) of sort of you mentioned like Asbergers (01:48:24) or whatever it is um you know with a (01:48:26) sort of different outlook on life you (01:48:28) know what the hell you could you make it (01:48:30) you can make it again you know you're (01:48:32) never ever going to go down you know (01:48:33) you're entitled man you you're one of (01:48:35) those who just gets it you know no (01:48:36) matter what and um you know we you know (01:48:40) there's another term for it [ __ ] floats (01:48:42) you know or something like that sorry (01:48:44) for that gross comment but anyway so uh (01:48:49) yeah so so they were not used to (01:48:51) anything like that they to them uh you (01:48:54) know a hardship was uh when uh the (01:48:57) Hilton ran out of phet Stak or something (01:48:59) you (01:49:00) [Laughter] (01:49:01) know well yeah because in 2012 Elon (01:49:05) actually appeared on Forbes billionaire (01:49:07) list for the first time he had a$2 (01:49:09) billion net worth yeah how did it feel (01:49:12) as a father to have a son that's now a (01:49:14) billionaire well you know before that in (01:49:18) in (01:49:20) 20056 2007 he was getting on and I (01:49:23) remember that they said that his net (01:49:26) worth is gone up from is gone from is (01:49:29) now (01:49:30) 672 million I remember somebody telling (01:49:33) me that he's now estimated to have 672 (01:49:36) million around about 2007 thereabouts (01:49:40) and um I they said Gee and I said no no (01:49:43) no Elon will not stop until he's number (01:49:47) one I said to these people he won't stop (01:49:50) until he's number one at that time I (01:49:52) imagine (01:49:53) Bill Gates may have been number one I'm (01:49:55) not sure but he won't stop until he's (01:49:57) number one I mean that's what I know (01:49:59) because I'm his father I know that he's (01:50:01) not going to stop until he's number one (01:50:03) and I can tell you now what's going to (01:50:05) happen you know so it's it's because you (01:50:07) know the people concerned you know how (01:50:10) they think he's very frugal he he is (01:50:13) very careful with how he does things uh (01:50:17) he's going to go he's going to go on and (01:50:19) on you know he will the IPO of saing is (01:50:22) going to be worth a trillion dollars so (01:50:25) you know SpaceX to all intensed purpos (01:50:27) is already worth a trillion dollars so (01:50:29) it's really a matter of uh it being a (01:50:31) private company no no I expected him to (01:50:34) do that so when Kimble started rest (01:50:37) restaurant I knew that in Du course he (01:50:39) would have many restaurants so at the (01:50:42) last count a few years ago with all the (01:50:44) um eateries that they had takeaways they (01:50:47) had over (01:50:48) 3,000 uh and about 80 formal restaurants (01:50:52) so the same sort of thing you know they (01:50:55) they just keep on going you know it is a (01:50:58) bit weird but that's what happens you (01:51:00) know and my daughter started making (01:51:02) films now she makes films every every 3 (01:51:05) months she puts out a film a ful length (01:51:08) film well yeah I mean right now I looked (01:51:11) it up he's worth $430 billion doar at (01:51:14) this moment so he really is poised like (01:51:17) let's just say Tesla stock doubles which (01:51:20) is very plausible because you've seen (01:51:21) you know I own Tesla stock myself I (01:51:23) actually have I've owned four Teslas (01:51:26) it's my favorite car company just to be (01:51:27) totally honest and the stock always goes (01:51:31) crazy for example when Trump got elected (01:51:33) it jumped up like I think like 50 or 60% (01:51:36) it was insane so it's very plausible (01:51:39) within a you know within a year or two (01:51:41) he could potentially be a trillionaire (01:51:44) the first trillionaire in human history (01:51:46) yeah sure you know it doesn't help you (01:51:48) know you can only eat so much full at (01:51:50) Steak and you can only have a a bed this (01:51:53) soft you there's no there's not there's (01:51:55) not unlimited Improvement to your (01:51:56) personal life doesn't make much (01:51:58) difference to your life you know it's (01:52:00) like Lord AA said back in 1912 when he (01:52:03) was getting on the Titanic before he was (01:52:05) drowned he said having a million pounds (01:52:07) is the same as being (01:52:10) rich he said that in 1912 he said (01:52:13) someone who has a million pounds it's (01:52:14) the same as being rich you know if you (01:52:17) can understand that what he's meaning (01:52:20) you know so you know you is very frugal (01:52:23) so you know he doesn't uh indulge in in (01:52:27) in things he's not like buying himself (01:52:29) some sort of anything fancy so maybe (01:52:32) he'll get there and Kimble's much the (01:52:34) same they they forever looking at new (01:52:36) things that actually are interesting (01:52:39) that's the thing so Kimble's Kimble's (01:52:41) got latest passion is uh these these um (01:52:45) drones that make drone shows you know (01:52:48) where they send 40,000 drones up and it (01:52:50) makes a picture for for a half a minute (01:52:52) or something then disappears you know uh (01:52:55) kimel's into that and I bumped into him (01:52:57) in UAE a couple of weeks ago where he (01:53:00) was doing this 2015 Elon co-founded open (01:53:04) AI (01:53:06) yes and then in 2016 he co-founded (01:53:12) neuralink yes which is the the brain (01:53:14) computer interface yes and he put $100 (01:53:17) million into that company yes he also (01:53:21) started the boring company which makes (01:53:23) tunnels and I think they have some in (01:53:24) Las Vegas right now yes so in 2016 you (01:53:29) and Elon had a falling out over your (01:53:32) support of Donald Trump which is very (01:53:34) ironic because now he's Donald Trump's (01:53:37) best friend yeah yeah it's funny it's (01:53:40) weird that's really weird well what (01:53:43) happened was do you want to hear shall I (01:53:45) tell you okay well after we left the us (01:53:48) the way we did with our temporary (01:53:51) passports things never really things (01:53:53) were always a bit icy between us (01:53:55) whenever we went overseas subsequently (01:53:57) to see our daughters and things but we (01:54:00) never discussed it so we just sort of (01:54:02) kept our cool anyway in 2016 though I (01:54:06) turned 70 and um they came out to South (01:54:09) Africa in private jets with about 50 (01:54:12) people many children and also the cost (01:54:15) of the Jungle Book movie with the actors (01:54:18) and actresses that were in that movie in (01:54:20) the crowd you know very wellknown people (01:54:24) and also I think one of the owners of (01:54:26) Google and son and um anyway uh during (01:54:31) the we had this terrific lunch for me (01:54:34) 70th birthday it was very nice we (01:54:35) sequestered an entire Block in the city (01:54:38) and um yeah and so um at the end of the (01:54:42) uh meal towards the dessert portion or (01:54:45) coffee portion um John (01:54:48) favro turned across to me from the other (01:54:51) side and said uh so you support Trump we (01:54:55) believe I believe you support Trump so I (01:54:59) it was 20 it was before the 2016 (01:55:02) election 6 months before the 2016 (01:55:03) election so I said yes yes I support (01:55:06) Trump and the result was you know (01:55:08) massive laughter the whole crowd just (01:55:11) burst into laughter and uh you know the (01:55:15) three of us Elon Kimel and I just sat (01:55:17) there you know while they laughed and (01:55:19) laughed and then finally pharoh said uh (01:55:22) uh um why why do you support Trump with (01:55:25) more laughter you know so I said well (01:55:28) he's just like us you know he's just (01:55:29) like us uh to my mind he's doing the (01:55:31) same kind of work I always did property (01:55:33) development and he's much bigger than (01:55:35) I've ever been and U you know he's it's (01:55:39) great to see somebody who's not a career (01:55:41) politician doing this kind of thing (01:55:43) which they all laughed and said no he's (01:55:45) he's uh they use profanity they said (01:55:47) he's a this and he's a that and he's (01:55:50) he's a this and he's a that and (01:55:52) everything you know (01:55:53) and they were all laughing their heads (01:55:54) off and this sort of brought the whole (01:55:56) lunch to a a sort of grizzly end people (01:56:00) started getting up and leaving and (01:56:02) heading back to their Vans and I was (01:56:04) left sitting alone in the restaurant all (01:56:06) alone at the time you know um I just had (01:56:10) a heart open heart operation so I was (01:56:13) sitting there with my (01:56:14) monitor draped around my neck and on on (01:56:17) my on my waist my actual monitor radio (01:56:21) monitor for me to be monit all the time (01:56:24) sat there you know and um cuz the tube (01:56:27) was very long so I turned around my neck (01:56:29) anyway so I was sitting there and and (01:56:31) then Elon and kemell came to me and said (01:56:33) uh what on Earth do you think you're (01:56:36) doing saying and I said well um you know (01:56:39) he's just like us I mean Trump is just (01:56:41) like us he's he's he's us you know he's (01:56:43) who we are and they said you know Elon (01:56:46) Kimmel was fanatically unhappy (01:56:49) frantically unhappy using language I've (01:56:51) never heard Kimmel use (01:56:53) Elon said Elon uh Trump is evil and uh (01:56:58) and and so on you know very matter of (01:57:00) fact look he's evil you know get get it (01:57:02) get it into your head and then they left (01:57:05) I was left sitting alone and U that was (01:57:09) uh you know that was it I mean um I (01:57:12) never discussed it again with them I did (01:57:14) go over a few times to my daughter's (01:57:16) graduation and so forth in the next year (01:57:19) or two and to various other things saw (01:57:21) them would see we never discussed (01:57:23) anything we just kept quiet and so I was (01:57:27) moderately surprised but it happened (01:57:28) gradually when things (01:57:31) changed okay now at one point Elon had a (01:57:35) book that came out and in the book he (01:57:38) spoke about you he called you a terrible (01:57:41) human being he said my dad will have a (01:57:44) carefully thought out plan of evil he (01:57:46) will plan evil he said almost every (01:57:49) crime that you could possibly think of (01:57:51) he's done he's good at making life (01:57:53) miserable that's for sure he's not a (01:57:55) happy man I don't know how someone (01:57:57) becomes like he (01:57:58) is and he also mentioned that him and (01:58:01) his first wife Justine promised each (01:58:02) other they wouldn't introduce their kids (01:58:04) to (01:58:06) you now when you hear that what do you (01:58:09) think well (01:58:12) um I have met all these kids so that's (01:58:15) kind of strange to me I met all the kids (01:58:17) you know when they were small so I mean (01:58:20) the first wife (01:58:23) you know (01:58:24) Justine less said the better from my (01:58:27) point of view you know so um you know (01:58:30) that was a mistake um as far as Elon (01:58:33) saying those things I think it was (01:58:34) interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine (01:58:36) and I think they they I don't know they (01:58:38) must have caught him on a bad day or (01:58:41) something but I I've never as I reply (01:58:43) they actually Runing Stone phoned me and (01:58:45) asked me if I'd like to comment I said (01:58:47) well I've never never actually planned (01:58:49) anything evil that I can think of and (01:58:51) I've certainly don't make plans to hurt (01:58:54) anybody I've simply never hurt (01:58:56) anybody deliberately anyway in my life I (01:58:58) don't know what you're talking about but (01:59:01) um I don't know it depends how your kids (01:59:03) see you I mean what I did do in my kind (01:59:06) of career was I I didn't suffer fools (01:59:09) and if if if something serious was going (01:59:11) to be destroyed or ruined by the action (01:59:13) of a fool then I would not let it happen (01:59:17) just not let it happen and so um they (01:59:20) were very aware of the fact that I was (01:59:23) somebody who acted very immediate very (01:59:25) quickly in the event of things going (01:59:28) rotten and so you know um I look at the (01:59:32) situation you had with Biden and the (01:59:35) situation they've now got in England (01:59:37) that wouldn't have happened if I had (01:59:38) been there under my watch never I didn't (01:59:42) I would never let something like that (01:59:44) happen IID do whatever is necessary to (01:59:45) stop such bad things from happening that (01:59:48) these so-called government people did (01:59:50) you know fortunately now they're going (01:59:52) to to face the music but at any rate (01:59:54) yeah it's possible that they were aware (01:59:57) of me dealing with contractors dealing (02:00:01) with people (02:00:03) harshly and um not deliberately it was (02:00:06) in in where where a person was put into (02:00:09) a position where you (02:00:11) either deal with the situation or or (02:00:14) it's going to get worse you know so I (02:00:16) don't really know what he was talking (02:00:17) about actually it was a surprise to me (02:00:19) because at that time I was more or less (02:00:21) retired you know I was I mean I actually (02:00:24) retired (02:00:25) from very uh big involvement when I was (02:00:28) about 35 so you know I was you know I (02:00:32) don't know what he was talking about so (02:00:34) um what I can say is you know I'm an (02:00:38) ocean o open ocean qualified Skipper or (02:00:42) yachtsman you know and um people have (02:00:45) said they all let their children or the (02:00:47) people go anywhere with me across the (02:00:50) ocean whereas they won't let them go (02:00:52) with anybody else and the same thing has (02:00:53) been said about me with (02:00:57) flying because they' say I'll let my (02:01:00) child go with ER but not with anybody (02:01:02) else because I think they see I'm I'm (02:01:07) not going to let them down something (02:01:09) like that anyway you know so what I (02:01:13) would say is um it's pretty that he said (02:01:16) things like that stupid (02:01:19) really well you responded you said uh (02:01:21) Elon needs to grow grow up he needs to (02:01:23) get over himself I'm not going to hit (02:01:24) back I'm going to wait until he comes to (02:01:26) his senses he's having a tantrum like a (02:01:27) spoiled child yes he can't have what he (02:01:31) wants and now I'm apparently an evil (02:01:33) monster what exactly does he (02:01:36) want well I don't know you know I mean (02:01:39) uh I think the working in the technical (02:01:42) field was nice to see your ideas come to (02:01:47) fruition but at the end of the day we we (02:01:50) are we are Political Animals all of us (02:01:53) you know U we are much happier uh among (02:01:57) a crowd at a party than we are in a (02:02:00) crowd doing drawings or something where (02:02:03) we can we can you (02:02:05) know argue with one another and s i I've (02:02:09) always said well my my history teacher (02:02:11) used to tell me politics is 50% of life (02:02:14) so now he's changed he's now got into (02:02:17) the political world and the political (02:02:20) pool the swimming pool let's say of the (02:02:23) political world is very very deep it's (02:02:26) you're never going to hit the bottom you (02:02:27) you can swim as much as you like you can (02:02:29) try as hard as you you want you're never (02:02:30) going to get to the bottom you're never (02:02:32) going to get to the side and you're (02:02:33) never get going to get to the other side (02:02:35) so that's great because you're not going (02:02:38) to conquer that world you're going to (02:02:39) come out as a battled uh wounded veteran (02:02:44) but you're never going to conquer it no (02:02:45) one in history is is labeled as he (02:02:48) conquered politics no one no one (02:02:53) you know what I mean and so so in that (02:02:55) respect Elon is now in the political (02:02:58) world and all the money in the world all (02:03:01) the uh you know whatever you want to put (02:03:04) it is not going to help you because if (02:03:06) you if you haven't got the quick slap (02:03:08) back you haven't got the WT if you (02:03:10) haven't got the repar te you've done (02:03:12) you're done you know so you have to be (02:03:15) able to to you you you know no nobody (02:03:18) knows what it is what makes a champion (02:03:20) movie actor what makes it's a little bit (02:03:23) similar what makes a champion politician (02:03:25) it's very difficult to say we think of (02:03:28) um when we think of politicians people (02:03:31) say Churchill he was great what do you (02:03:34) remember about him oh he said we'll (02:03:36) fight on the beaches you know then who (02:03:40) else oh I don't know Reagan was good (02:03:42) wasn't he what did he say uh tear down (02:03:45) this wall Mr (02:03:47) gorbachov you see so that's what you (02:03:50) remember these people for it's (02:03:52) not because they were consistent or (02:03:54) something like that and you know it's (02:03:57) it's a very new world for him and it's a (02:04:00) it's a world that has no bottom or sides (02:04:02) and so that's probably quite good and (02:04:05) it's a world where you easily easily get (02:04:07) wounded it's like being a weak Gladiator (02:04:10) in the Coliseum you know what I mean you (02:04:13) know best make sure you can run you (02:04:16) know if you are a weak Gladiator in the (02:04:20) Coliseum well (02:04:23) 2022 Elon buys Twitter for $44 (02:04:29) billion yeah I didn't see this one (02:04:32) coming were you surprised that Elon (02:04:35) bought Twitter well I was involved with (02:04:37) that so it's not that I was surprised (02:04:39) what happened was towards the end of (02:04:42) 2021 Biden who Elon had done everything (02:04:46) he could to support by the way you know (02:04:48) he was a oh he was a Biden man you know (02:04:50) all his friends who came with him to the (02:04:52) birthday party I had they were all these (02:04:54) flaming Democrats Elon was a flaming (02:04:56) Democrat Kimbell was a flaming Democrat (02:04:59) anyway towards the end of (02:05:00) 2021 uh when Biden was already showing (02:05:03) what he was doing nevertheless he (02:05:06) invited all the electric car makers to (02:05:08) the white house for a week to come and (02:05:10) discuss the making of America into a an (02:05:14) electric car country country by 2035 (02:05:17) invited all of all the car makers except (02:05:19) Tesla now Tesla had made a cars that (02:05:22) year and sold them the other five (02:05:25) manufacturers had built 26 cars and (02:05:28) hadn't sold one not one and so Elon (02:05:32) couldn't understand this at first he (02:05:34) thought it was some kind of joke because (02:05:36) in his book he was he was the Golden Boy (02:05:39) of everyone everyone viewed him as the (02:05:41) Golden Boy you know at that point in (02:05:43) time um SpaceX was humming you know and (02:05:48) and uh we'd already you know put people (02:05:50) I think in space or or nearly got people (02:05:53) in space so SpaceX was humming (02:05:55) everything was humming and Tesla was (02:05:58) looking for the first time like it's (02:05:59) going to be okay and he's left out so in (02:06:03) the month that followed Elon started (02:06:05) saying things like Biden is a looney (02:06:08) he's a lunatic we got a lunatic for a (02:06:10) president and the government is Looney (02:06:13) it was sort of Canadian expression (02:06:15) actually and then um I said to him you (02:06:18) know uh immediately I started seeing (02:06:20) these things I said during realize what (02:06:22) you're doing you're now entering the (02:06:23) political world for the first time and (02:06:26) you are saying things that are aimed at (02:06:28) political uh targets and these I said (02:06:31) these people don't just take your money (02:06:33) away they kill you they take your life (02:06:35) away if you get in their way so um (02:06:38) because I knew that from my own life my (02:06:40) own experience when I stood as a (02:06:42) candidate for parliament in this country (02:06:44) I was threatened with death we actually (02:06:45) caught the people who were doing the (02:06:47) threats the police caught them in my (02:06:49) time anyway so (02:06:52) I said to El you have to be careful what (02:06:54) you're doing and but he carried on he (02:06:55) carried on and then a deluge of of bad (02:06:59) of things were said on Twitter that Elon (02:07:02) is a piece of a POS and he has to be (02:07:05) deported and he must go back to South (02:07:07) Africa he's a he's a blur on the (02:07:10) landscape of the US and all that kind of (02:07:12) stuff and he'd never ever had anything (02:07:14) like that said about him ever and this (02:07:17) all came from Twitter and then it was (02:07:19) explained to him and I said to him get (02:07:21) your body guard s right get your get (02:07:22) your bodyguards and check who see who's (02:07:25) appointing your bodyguards to start with (02:07:27) anyway then I said then then people said (02:07:30) to him Twitter is not a private company (02:07:33) it's a political arm of the Democrat (02:07:36) Party and it's even part of the Crooked (02:07:39) FBI they they used they use Twitter to (02:07:42) pretend that it's private but it's not (02:07:44) it's a government uh Department Twitter (02:07:48) is essentially just another democratic (02:07:51) government Department and so when he (02:07:52) heard this he said okay if that's the (02:07:54) case it's a private company I'm going to (02:07:56) buy it at that stage we we valued test (02:08:00) uh Twitter at $7 billion which was for (02:08:03) their database really a lot of money (02:08:05) it's a huge amount of money but they (02:08:08) started making it very difficult for him (02:08:10) to buy it until eventually as you (02:08:11) pointed out he was forced to pay 44 (02:08:14) billion for it if he could have waited (02:08:16) but the courts forced him the Democrat (02:08:18) courts forced him to pay 44 billion if (02:08:20) he could have held out until nine months (02:08:22) later say April the next year he would (02:08:25) have got he would have got he would have (02:08:27) been able to buy Twitter for a billion (02:08:29) dollar because it was bleeding a billion (02:08:32) dollars a month at the time you know and (02:08:35) and um anyway he paid the 44 billion he (02:08:38) said fine and he's now turned it into a (02:08:40) free free speech (02:08:42) platform and the only real free speech (02:08:45) platform at the (02:08:46) moment (02:08:48) available well last year the Wall Street (02:08:50) Journal did a report and they said that (02:08:52) the 13 billion that Elon borrowed to buy (02:08:55) Twitter is considered the worst deal in (02:08:58) merger finance that banks have (02:09:00) participated in since the 2008 financial (02:09:02) crisis because they say that the company (02:09:05) has lost $24 billion do in equity since (02:09:08) Elon took it over well it's now doing 10 (02:09:10) times more than it ever did uh as (02:09:13) Twitter and uh it doesn't stop growing (02:09:17) and elon's plan to make it into a an (02:09:20) information Source like a search engine (02:09:22) like Google a place where you can pay (02:09:24) your your electricity bill your car (02:09:27) finance can be done through it you wants (02:09:29) to turn it at all those things um I (02:09:32) would not bet against Elon definitely I (02:09:34) would advise them the other thing is the (02:09:36) banks were running to lend him the money (02:09:38) so uh please please take the money from (02:09:40) us so um yeah no so I don't I'm not (02:09:44) worried about that at all I mean Twitter (02:09:46) will become worth hundred billion so (02:09:48) then it'll be (02:09:50) fine well I mean recently he (02:09:53) introduced the Tesla (02:09:55) robots and he said that in the future (02:09:58) these robots will be the biggest selling (02:10:01) product of all time (02:10:04) yes and and that kind of makes sense (02:10:06) because if you think about it you know (02:10:09) iPhones are now probably the biggest (02:10:11) selling product of all time yeah so this (02:10:13) is essentially an iPhone with arms and (02:10:16) legs that can go around and do stuff for (02:10:17) you yes so I could totally I could (02:10:20) totally imagine this as long as you know (02:10:22) no humans get get killed along the way (02:10:24) of these robots doing their (02:10:26) job I would love to have a Tesla robot (02:10:30) he said the other day I'm not sure I (02:10:31) totally agree with him because it's so (02:10:33) soon but Elon said by 2040 there'll be (02:10:35) more Tesla robots than (02:10:38) people you know which is bit odd but (02:10:42) yeah I mean if you look at human history (02:10:44) at one (02:10:45) points you know cars represented 1% and (02:10:50) horses represented 99% (02:10:52) of Transportation in America and now (02:10:55) cars are 99% and horses are 1% if that (02:10:58) yes yes absolutely so so technology (02:11:01) definitely you know at one point people (02:11:03) used to use oil to light candles in (02:11:06) their home and then electricity came (02:11:07) around and now nobody uses oil except (02:11:10) for just decorative candles so it's very (02:11:12) hard to tell the future very hard but uh (02:11:17) I I would elon's very good at that he's (02:11:19) very good at uh the future so for (02:11:22) example back in (02:11:25) 1994 um when they started zip 2 what (02:11:30) they didn't know what they were going to (02:11:31) call it but let's assume it became zip2 (02:11:34) but um Elon they started with the idea (02:11:38) that they would start a search engine (02:11:39) for uh for find like Garmin GPS maps or (02:11:44) something like that so that in the first (02:11:46) they did it they brought one out City (02:11:48) search or something and then you you put (02:11:51) your location down and then the computer (02:11:53) would print out a a written page and (02:11:56) with little arrows and tell you give you (02:11:58) all the directions to this place uh you (02:12:01) know and then you would follow this (02:12:02) written written schedule and then this (02:12:05) was about 95 and then 1995 and then uh (02:12:10) they they they discovered that there a (02:12:11) lot of people doing this a lot of people (02:12:13) are doing this so around about August (02:12:18) 95 (02:12:20) Elon would had been in computers since (02:12:23) the early 80s he'd also had a modem (02:12:26) since he showed me a modem when he was (02:12:28) about 12 13 said showed me this gray box (02:12:31) with a red light on it he said dad what (02:12:33) do you think this is I said I don't know (02:12:34) what is it he said this is a modem now (02:12:37) he was about 12 or 13 he said with this (02:12:39) thing I can communicate with my little (02:12:41) computer I can Comm communicate with the (02:12:44) computer at Oxford University I said (02:12:46) well how do you do that he said I just (02:12:48) put it into the telephone line and then (02:12:50) a commun cases I said what does how much (02:12:54) does that cost he said no they it's not (02:12:57) a telephone call it gets superimposed on (02:13:00) the lines the information something like (02:13:02) that anyway so he was good at looking at (02:13:04) the future and he said one day everybody (02:13:06) will have a modem and so um in '95 Elon (02:13:11) said to me and to Kimble uh or rather to (02:13:15) me he said to me that um the internet's (02:13:18) going to have to go the newspapers are (02:13:20) going to have to go onto the (02:13:22) internet now that was so such a far out (02:13:27) idea you know I mean what what do you (02:13:31) mean you know in those days everybody (02:13:32) bought their newspaper every day and it (02:13:34) was a thick Ward you know every day and (02:13:38) he said no the newspapers are going to (02:13:39) have to go onto the internet there won't (02:13:41) be paper (02:13:42) newspapers so we all said well you know (02:13:45) what are you going to do he said he (02:13:46) wants to go and see a publishing company (02:13:49) that publishes paper newspapers called (02:13:51) rder so they're going the next day (02:13:53) they've got an appointment they were 24 (02:13:55) and 23 years old more or less you know (02:13:59) and and and they're going to see this (02:14:01) place to explain to them that they're (02:14:03) going to have to change because they (02:14:05) were at that point this nro was (02:14:07) publishing Miami Herald um LA Times San (02:14:12) Francisco Chronicle and about 11 major (02:14:14) newspapers and they're going to have to (02:14:16) change to to do only online publishing (02:14:20) so they went to see them and came out of (02:14:22) that meeting with a check for $4 million (02:14:25) from nit rder do it and so the ability (02:14:29) to see that far ahead Elon has that (02:14:32) ability there's no doubt about it I have (02:14:35) a certain amount of that ability for (02:14:37) example right now I'm busy with a new (02:14:39) Institute that we're trying to establish (02:14:42) people have said we should call it the (02:14:43) musk Institute I didn't say that but we (02:14:45) need to study space-time travel we need (02:14:48) to study SpaceTime travel which is (02:14:50) coupled with gravity we we need to solve (02:14:52) Fusion if we don't do these things then (02:14:55) the popular Vision that we all have of (02:14:56) the future of cars and things floating (02:14:59) up and down as you see in all the movies (02:15:02) it's not going to happen it's not going (02:15:04) to happen we'll still be doing the same (02:15:05) thing 100 years from now so we have to (02:15:07) do that we have to move into the future (02:15:10) and so I have the idea to start an (02:15:12) Institute of study in that direction (02:15:15) where we attract all the crazy Geeks of (02:15:17) the world to come and think anyway (02:15:20) that's another story but has the ability (02:15:22) to see what the future needs so his idea (02:15:26) on robots is not lost I agree I (02:15:29) definitely (02:15:31) agree well late last year the two of you (02:15:34) hugged for the first time in years is (02:15:36) that true late last year yes yes I he (02:15:39) asked me if I'd like to come and see the (02:15:40) launch of a Starship so I said okay so I (02:15:42) went over to bokach Chica and the two of (02:15:46) us yo we had a great time and uh we (02:15:50) spend the weekend together together and (02:15:52) um interesting enough during the after (02:15:55) this very successful launch they had a (02:15:58) party afterwards sort of a Hawaiian (02:16:00) party of for about 250 workers (02:16:02) everybody's having a good time and Elon (02:16:04) stopped the proceedings he said to (02:16:06) everyone this is my dad put his arm (02:16:08) around he said he's taller than me you (02:16:09) know put his arm around me and he said (02:16:11) uh my dad taught me everything I know (02:16:13) about engineering which is rather a nice (02:16:15) thing to say I immediately said no no no (02:16:17) you taught yourself a lot of things but (02:16:20) that's what he did and so y yeah so we (02:16:22) had a good meeting it was (02:16:24) nice very (02:16:26) nice well Elon has been married twice (02:16:31) has 12 children yes he lost one child (02:16:36) through sudden infant uh death syndrome (02:16:39) unfortunately yes one of his children is (02:16:43) transgender yes you had mentioned at one (02:16:47) point that he didn't really spend a lot (02:16:48) of time with his kids yeah yes I did see (02:16:52) that he because of divorce that's what (02:16:55) happens you know it's very difficult and (02:16:57) then with the type of work youing I had (02:16:58) the same problem when they were small I (02:17:00) was always away I relied on my wife I I (02:17:03) couldn't uh you know always just be (02:17:06) there you know uh I didn't work a fixed (02:17:08) schedule so yeah he he had the same (02:17:11) problem I think many men uh Kimble as (02:17:13) well you know had that problem I see now (02:17:16) with the new little boy x which I met (02:17:19) last year and Siobhan's children I met (02:17:21) last year um they um he spends a lot of (02:17:25) time with his with that one he's he's (02:17:27) trying to make sure that he spends time (02:17:29) with this one yeah yeah that's the baby (02:17:33) he has with Grimes right yes yeah one of (02:17:36) the one of the two kids yes I remember (02:17:39) um in in elon's (02:17:42) book I saw an interview with uh with the (02:17:45) biographer and he talked about something (02:17:47) called demon mode where at certain times (02:17:51) Elon just gets really hyperfocused and (02:17:54) really angry and really short with (02:17:56) people and so forth and Grimes even (02:17:59) pointed out to the biographer at one (02:18:01) point goes look you know elon's in Demon (02:18:03) mode right now do you know what that is (02:18:05) and have you experienced that yeah you (02:18:07) know I think it's roughly the same thing (02:18:09) that he was referring to me you know (02:18:11) when you get into demon mode if you see (02:18:13) a situation where a Calamity coming your (02:18:15) way you either get into demon mode it's (02:18:18) even if you're sailing a ship or flying (02:18:20) an airplane or running a business or (02:18:22) you're going to go down in flames and uh (02:18:25) if you don't do it and get people to uh (02:18:28) you know you know perform properly and (02:18:33) wake up so demon mode is sometimes (02:18:35) needed in every business I think Steve (02:18:39) Jobs was famous for demon mode and I can (02:18:41) tell you a few others that I know in (02:18:43) this country who uh actually went beyond (02:18:46) demon mode and went to fist mode in (02:18:50) business meetings you (02:18:52) know yeah the same biographer that wrote (02:18:55) elon's book also wrote Steve Jobs final (02:18:58) uh biography and he called Steve's (02:19:02) situation the reality Distortion field (02:19:04) yeah (02:19:05) where you know he would go to his (02:19:07) engineers and say okay uh the new iMac (02:19:11) how long is it going to take and they'll (02:19:13) say six months he'll say I need it in (02:19:14) two weeks yeah and and they'll say (02:19:17) that's completely impossible but he's (02:19:18) like no I need it in two weeks and he'll (02:19:20) drive them and two weeks later it'll (02:19:22) actually be done yeah but you know so it (02:19:26) would get accomplished but the people (02:19:28) end up getting no sleep and you know (02:19:31) they'll go through hell in order to do (02:19:33) it is that kind of a similar thing that (02:19:35) Elon does yes it's a it's a some of (02:19:37) thing that every successful businessman (02:19:40) does every successful (02:19:44) businessman Commander (02:19:46) General um you know Captain has that (02:19:53) situation it's called you know live or (02:19:58) die final question you know like I said (02:20:00) in the beginning elon's worth almost (02:20:03) half a trillion dollars right now yes (02:20:06) does he financially help you out and his (02:20:09) other siblings or are you guys pretty (02:20:12) much on your own yes the Family (02:20:15) Foundation the family uh company rather (02:20:18) uh uh provides for uh all the single (02:20:22) woman um monthly and and also a little (02:20:26) bit of help to those that are married (02:20:28) the woman and um yeah for me I uh a (02:20:33) little bit of help I don't ask for much (02:20:35) help because I'm self-supporting you see (02:20:36) so I don't really have a um much need (02:20:39) for help I don't really need help but (02:20:42) but last year I must just tell you I (02:20:45) wanted uh Elon suggested buy me a car (02:20:48) last year you know so so I uh it was (02:20:51) originally going to be a Tesla which was (02:20:53) going to be sent out here but the price (02:20:54) was astronomical and it's we're not set (02:20:57) up at all for anything like that so I I (02:21:00) thought no I don't want to be outside (02:21:02) service range and all that sort of stuff (02:21:05) anyway that was two that was about 18 (02:21:07) months ago and then last year towards (02:21:09) the end of last year they said would you (02:21:12) like a car and I said yeah so they said (02:21:14) well well what are you going to get why (02:21:16) don't you get a Jeep or something you (02:21:18) know so I said I don't want a Jeep I (02:21:19) want something decent so yeah sorry Jeep (02:21:22) is very decent what I mean is I wanted (02:21:24) something else so they said well what do (02:21:26) you want I said I want a Bentley so Elon (02:21:29) said sure Bentley so there's a Bentley (02:21:31) in my garage now uh Bentley flying Spurs (02:21:34) so it's very nice I haven't put the (02:21:36) number plates on yet still trying to put (02:21:38) the number plates on I haven't got the (02:21:40) you (02:21:41) know okay but you're saying that there's (02:21:43) a foundation that basically financially (02:21:46) supports this whole extended family (02:21:48) somebody gets ill or or needs anything (02:21:50) but all the single women receive a (02:21:52) monthly uh income you know oh all the (02:21:57) single women my ex-wife in fact haer (02:22:00) receives an annual a monthly income all (02:22:02) the single women and and then if they (02:22:04) married they also get a little bit of (02:22:06) help and so on you know so (02:22:10) um they help they help (02:22:13) everyone yeah I don't really have a (02:22:16) great need for assistance but (02:22:18) occasionally they help me if I ask you (02:22:20) know if I ask they helped me with um my (02:22:22) medical costs my medical costs were (02:22:24) nearly were a million you know so the (02:22:28) Medical Aid uh only provided (02:22:31) 600,000 so they bridged that gap for me (02:22:34) that was nice that was a big (02:22:36) help yeah that's great I mean what Elon (02:22:39) is doing is you can't even call it (02:22:41) generational wealth this is (02:22:45) like Millennial wealth I guess yes yes I (02:22:50) mean if the if these companies like the (02:22:53) SpaceX go public they'd have a great (02:22:55) deal of it would be a trillion he'd be (02:22:58) worth a trillion you know but of course (02:23:00) it's not always a good thing to go (02:23:02) public you know no no look they they do (02:23:05) whatever is necessary financially uh to (02:23:08) help I certainly um um have no (02:23:12) complaints with them you know all either (02:23:15) Kimble or Elon you know if you ask them (02:23:17) they help you it's as simple as that (02:23:21) no look I've always been a huge fan of (02:23:22) Elon Musk I remember I bought a Tesla (02:23:26) around nine years ago it was a Model S (02:23:29) and ever since then that's the only cars (02:23:31) that I bought sure once you I'm my (02:23:33) fourth Tesla right now yeah I've got a (02:23:36) my current car is a model X plaid which (02:23:39) is basically the fastest car in America (02:23:42) I know that whenever I'll do interviews (02:23:44) with like you know you know Fighters or (02:23:48) athletes and I'll put them in the you (02:23:49) know in the passenger seat take them (02:23:51) around the block and they're like (02:23:52) screaming like little girls cuz you know (02:23:53) they're so (02:23:55) terrified surprise once you start the (02:23:57) electric car I mean when I'm over there (02:23:59) I only drive electric cars when I'm go (02:24:01) to the US I mean I've just been I've (02:24:03) been twice this in the last 12 months (02:24:05) I've spent 12 weeks there so you only (02:24:08) drive electric cars I mean why would you (02:24:10) drive anything else and uh oh yeah um (02:24:13) you know I I've quite surprised with my (02:24:15) most recent trip or was it the one (02:24:18) before that when you uh you the long (02:24:21) trip to bokach chica you know you go to (02:24:23) a Shell service station and on the one (02:24:25) side is the petrol pumps on the other (02:24:26) side of all the electric charging (02:24:28) stations and the big thing is to get in (02:24:30) there and find an empty one an empty (02:24:33) charging station you know because there (02:24:36) might be like 15 charging stations and (02:24:38) it's Qui every single one you know and (02:24:40) you oh and uh so you wait for one to (02:24:43) move on you know and so you can you can (02:24:46) go in and charge yeah so that was a new (02:24:48) one for me quite recently but before (02:24:51) that we always did home charging and so (02:24:53) uh yeah once you drive an electric car (02:24:55) you're not going to go easily go back to (02:24:57) a petrol car no no yeah once you go (02:25:01) electric the thought of going to a gas (02:25:03) station the smell the dirt picking up (02:25:06) the the nozzle putting it in putting (02:25:08) your credit card in dealing with the (02:25:09) homeless guy the homeless guy that wants (02:25:12) to wash your wash your windows and and (02:25:14) so forth there's nothing like it it's (02:25:17) almost like going from a a cassette tape (02:25:19) to an MP3 yes absolutely no no it's (02:25:22) really funny it's it's completely agree (02:25:24) with you you know in fact uh if I went (02:25:27) over there my my daughter's got the new (02:25:29) x uh the one with the the doors set up (02:25:32) yeah yeah the model X that's what I had (02:25:33) yeah yeah and uh yeah we really like (02:25:36) that one really like that one she had (02:25:38) the Y before but they've got a y and and (02:25:41) S but the Y was for the baby she got two (02:25:45) babies and so um but now she's got the X (02:25:49) cuz the Y's also got three rows of seats (02:25:52) yeah no listen uh like I said the best (02:25:54) cars I've ever owned uh and I could (02:25:56) pretty much buy anything if I want to (02:25:57) buy a Rolls-Royce or a bentle I would I (02:25:59) would go get one but I just find these (02:26:01) cars to be more enjoyable to drive which (02:26:04) is why I've been buying them yeah yeah (02:26:06) no no no no question about it no (02:26:09) question about it in due course there (02:26:10) will only be electric cars I mean (02:26:12) obviously you know it's not a not rocket (02:26:14) sign yeah that's inevitable yeah it's (02:26:17) not a if it's a when yes (02:26:21) well Errol musk I definitely appreciate (02:26:23) you uh coming in and telling your story (02:26:25) uh I've been a huge fan of your son and (02:26:28) you know now I see where where he got it (02:26:30) from so congratulations on U really your (02:26:33) whole life and all your accomplishments (02:26:35) along the way thank you um and U you (02:26:38) know I feel that you're a very big part (02:26:41) of of elon's story and you have an (02:26:44) incredible story yourself as well so I (02:26:46) completely appreciate you coming in and (02:26:47) hope to do it again thank you so much (02:26:50) thank that's what it is until next time (02:26:52) peace okay bye